Succession Planning - Managerial Wishlist

[Efcjake]

Weak argument. You can do better!

So far it's an accurate one though isn't it.

 

[Efcjake]

I mean, leaving aside the fact that that in itself is subjective, that doesn't equate to what you said in the first place.

Obviously on a literal level what you're saying is true, the grass isn't always greener, but it's important to remember that that doesn't mean the grass can't ever be greener. You'll always be making judgement calls with these things, and I can totally get why some people would automatically default to a safety blanket sort of position where they would believe finishing 10th (for example) this season was fine and there's no reason to risk someone who we can rely on to deliver those finishes. It's a perfectly valid viewpoint, it's just that so is thinking it's worth taking a chance every now and again and there might be more scope to do better under someone else.

I'm fine with looking past David Moyes when the time is right to let him go.

I think sacking him while he is still bringing us up the table because we hope someone will do it faster or prettier is a bit mad.

 

[RomanReigns]

I think Thomas Frank, Iraola, and Howe are proving that the grass isn't always greener and those are names I've seen thrown around a lot in the last year.

don't forget hurzelhoff or whatever his name is

 

[John from Bootle]

I mean, leaving aside the fact that that in itself is subjective, that doesn't equate to what you said in the first place.

Obviously on a literal level what you're saying is true, the grass isn't always greener, but it's important to remember that that doesn't mean the grass can't ever be greener. You'll always be making judgement calls with these things, and I can totally get why some people would automatically default to a safety blanket sort of position where they would believe finishing 10th (for example) this season was fine and there's no reason to risk someone who we can rely on to deliver those finishes. It's a perfectly valid viewpoint, it's just that so is thinking it's worth taking a chance every now and again and there might be more scope to do better under someone else.

Surely we need to be more decisive, organised and forward thinking than 'the grass might be greener'. ?

Edit; and finishing 10th would absolutely be fine - it's about what I expected.. How many times in the last 6 years have we finished in the top half?

 

[Swartzy]

Weak argument. You can do better!

Moyes has done a better job than them..

That sounds better..

 

[Lanolin]

Surely we need to be more decisive, organised and forward thinking than 'the grass might be greener'. ?

Edit; and finishing 10th would absolutely be fine - it's about what I expected.. How many times in the last 6 years have we finished in the top half?

Yes, but the terminology wasn't mine? I'm not saying we should sack Moyes for a laugh and just pick a name out of a hat to replace him because it might work out, i'm saying that the fact changing managers in the summer might not work out doesn't necessarily mean that it's not the right thing to consider. Change is a risk, but at some point you have to do it, or what's the alternative? I'm not advocating doing it, i'm just saying dismissing it as 'the grass isn't always greener' (particularly when making the bold decision of choosing to use the examples of managers who most definitely did bring a touch of miracle-gro to their clubs) is a bit daft.

Yes 10th would be fine and also roughly what I expected, I didn't suggest otherwise.

 

[John from Bootle]

Yes, but the terminology wasn't mine? I'm not saying we should sack Moyes for a laugh and just pick a name out of a hat to replace him because it might work out, i'm saying that the fact changing managers in the summer might not work out doesn't necessarily mean that it's not the right thing to consider. Change is a risk, but at some point you have to do it, or what's the alternative? I'm not advocating doing it, i'm just saying dismissing it as 'the grass isn't always greener' (particularly when making the bold decision of choosing to use the examples of managers who most definitely did bring a touch of miracle-gro to their clubs) is a bit daft.

Yes 10th would be fine and also roughly what I expected, I didn't suggest otherwise.

I'm just not a fan of changing managers in the summer. I don't get it at all. It rarely works, if ever. A forward thinking, decisive club should have sacked the manager before they even get to the end of the season, if they think they're not up to the job.

I have a quite basic way of thinking about it; you boot a manager when you think 'it can't get any worse than this' as opposed to 'this feller might be a bit better'.

Soz, I felt like you were saying that sticking with him if he finished 10th might not be the correct decisuion and a bit small time.

 

[hetion]

I'm just not a fan of changing managers in the summer. I don't get it at all. It rarely works, if ever. A forward thinking, decisive club should have sacked the manager before they even get to the end of the season, if they think they're not up to the job.

I have a quite basic way of thinking about it; you boot a manager when you think 'it can't get any worse than this' as opposed to 'this feller might be a bit better'.

Soz, I felt like you were saying that sticking with him if he finished 10th might not be the correct decisuion and a bit small time.

Funny I think the exact opposite! The former to me is reactive and poorly run with 0 planning, the latter is proactive, planning ahead, always looking to improve

 

[blueloon]

As it’s a Wishlist and I would imagine his name has come up already then I’ll throw in Mauricio Pochettino. It’ll likely be dependent on Spurs jumping the gun with Frank and going for an early replacement before the season ends. But a high profile appointment that ticks so many boxes.

 

[chopper6]

As it’s a Wishlist and I would imagine his name has come up already then I’ll throw in Mauricio Pochettino. It’ll likely be dependent on Spurs jumping the gun with Frank and going for an early replacement before the season ends. But a high profile appointment that ticks so many boxes.

I’ve suggested him previously too.

When the times right, I’d love Poch here.

Think he’d be great with our youth players, and a good ‘project’ manager to trust in.

 

[John from Bootle]

Funny I think the exact opposite! The former to me is reactive and poorly run with 0 planning, the latter is proactive, planning ahead, always looking to improve

Yeah, there's an issue there. You've already messed the plan up, because the last feller is being written off, at a cost.

So in other words, there was no plan, you're flying by the seat of your pants, and wasting valuable time and resources.

 

[vini]

Haven't read the previous 40 pages of 'in flavour' picks for next manager, and have no idea who might be selected. I do think Moyes will get another season though, one because I think he deserves it, and two because I think it gives the board the time to work out what the actual strategy will be long term for the club. We've been a basket case of a club for a long time and you cannot turn that around in the blink of an eye. Detractors can denigrate Moyes and his tactics as much as they want but we aren't fighting relegation and are sat in a reasonable league position a fair way through the season. That said, if Guardiola is available in the summer I reckon I'd give him a chance to see what he could do

 

[Lanolin]

I'm just not a fan of changing managers in the summer. I don't get it at all. It rarely works, if ever. A forward thinking, decisive club should have sacked the manager before they even get to the end of the season, if they think they're not up to the job.

I have a quite basic way of thinking about it; you boot a manager when you think 'it can't get any worse than this' as opposed to 'this feller might be a bit better'.

Soz, I felt like you were saying that sticking with him if he finished 10th might not be the correct decisuion and a bit small time.

Similar to my original reply in this thread, I totally get that viewpoint, I just don’t agree. My opinion - and that’s all it is obviously - is that Moyes is highly unlikely to perform to a level where we think ‘this can’t get any worse’, but also highly unlikely to perform to a level where it can’t get any better. What you’re effectively saying is that as long as a manager is doing ‘alright’ we should stick with them forever and never try to improve. I can’t get on board with that myself, but again I do understand why people can have this very risk averse attitude.

I feel like I should say again, this isn’t me saying we should definitely replace Moyes in the summer, it’s just that I can understand the logic in doing it and don’t think it would necessarily be the crazy decision some people do (depending on how the rest of the season goes).

 

[John from Bootle]

Similar to my original reply in this thread, I totally get that viewpoint, I just don’t agree. My opinion - and that’s all it is obviously - is that Moyes is highly unlikely to perform to a level where we think ‘this can’t get any worse’, but also highly unlikely to perform to a level where it can’t get any better. What you’re effectively saying is that as long as a manager is doing ‘alright’ we should stick with them forever and never try to improve. I can’t get on board with that myself, but again I do understand why people can have this very risk averse attitude.

I feel like I should say again, this isn’t me saying we should definitely replace Moyes in the summer, it’s just that I can understand the logic in doing it and don’t think it would necessarily be the crazy decision some people do (depending on how the rest of the season goes).

It's not a free hit, though, is it? You've still got to pay Moyes for the season. Imagine still paying Moyes whilst paying some other feller to do a worse job?

That sort of thing happens all the time, and the classic examples at the moment are Forest and West Ham. There's a bit of a paradox there, because I'm criticising Forest for booting Nuno, but West Ham have him now. However, Forest are still paying him, yet paying Sean Dyche. Andthen there's the nuances of environment and timing. Forest players were happy with Nuno, but maybe he's having to win that dressing room at West Ham over. Never forget that a players opinion of a manager is far more important than ours as fans.

 

[Lanolin]

It's not a free hit, though, is it? You've still got to pay Moyes for the season. Imagine still paying Moyes whilst paying some other feller to do a worse job?

That sort of thing happens all the time, and the classic examples at the moment are Forest and West Ham. There's a bit of a paradox there, because I'm criticising Forest for booting Nuno, but West Ham have him now. However, Forest are still paying him, yet paying Sean Dyche. Andthen there's the nuances of environment and timing. Forest players were happy with Nuno, but maybe he's having to win that dressing room at West Ham over. Never forget that a players opinion of a manager is far more important than ours as fans.

But again, none of those things are related to what I’m actually saying? No it’s not free, no it’s not guaranteed to work, no we don’t know how the players would react. As I’ve said in every post on the subject, I’m not saying a change is obviously the way to go and there’s no argument to the contrary, I’m just saying I don’t think it’s necessarily a completely bonkers shout if the season goes a certain way. I hope the owners aren’t as risk averse as some posters want them to be, that’s for sure.