Succession Planning - Managerial Wishlist

[jazzy]

I got the impression, where from I don't know...

That TGF had a name in mind but he wasn't available right then in Jan 2025.
Moyeses appointment was initially a 6mts thing
But with essentially nobody else in the frame, he was able to parley it up to 18mts with a 12 month option, aka, pay out, I'm 65 and it's offski time for me, thank you and goodnight.

Not that I know, but right now I'd be guessing he's quite happy with that deal.

Nor have I any idea (no change there then) who our unavailable mystery man was - or if he'd do any good.

As always with our American annual dividend taking(allegedly) ownership group - more questions than answers

I'm glad you said allegedly dividend taking Degsy because I can't find any reputable corroboration for that following your post to me the other day questioning TFGs motives / ambition.

Not saying they haven't but I'd be surprised at this early stage and as I say can't find back up for this. Where did you read it amigo?

 

[JLW]

It took Armstrong longer at Preston to get a start than it did coming back here.

What you are seeing now is half a season of gametime behind a lad.
Not half a season of bench time.

Players should only be getting sent out on loan if they are nowhere near level of getting in the team, i wouldn't say Armstrong was nowhere near our team at the start of the season even if everyone was fit and available. He may have benefitted from game time but I'm sure he would of got a lot of minutes here also.

 

[hetion]

Moyes doesn’t buy players, this old school thinking needs to stop

He functionally does though. He's the most important voice in the committee room and he 'rejects 99% of players presented', so the scouting departments just keep bringing players until he says yes to one. That's all directly from Kinnear.

Totally agree it's extremely old school and not good but it is the case!

 

[WA Toffee]

Let's avoid Kopites for a bit, having your manager be immediately on the back foot with a substantial cohort of fans rarely pans out well for us. Whoever is next needs a decent period of goodwill from the fans. Benitez, Dyche and Moyes all arrived with baggage that has been unhelpful.

I wasn't really being serious, I wouldn't expect him to sit around for 18 months waiting for Moyes contract to expire

 

[Moomin]

I got the impression, where from I don't know...

That TGF had a name in mind but he wasn't available right then in Jan 2025.
Moyeses appointment was initially a 6mts thing
But with essentially nobody else in the frame, he was able to parley it up to 18mts with a 12 month option, aka, pay out, I'm 65 and it's offski time for me, thank you and goodnight.

Not that I know, but right now I'd be guessing he's quite happy with that deal.

Nor have I any idea (no change there then) who our unavailable mystery man was - or if he'd do any good.

As always with our American annual dividend taking(allegedly) ownership group - more questions than answers

Thomas Frank was apparently the chosen one they wanted to replace Dyche with in the summer of 25.

 

[jazzy]

Thomas Frank was apparently the chosen one they wanted to replace Dyche with in the summer of 25.

Jeez , keep Moyes in post in that case

Bullet dodged.

 

[degsy]

I'm glad you said allegedly dividend taking Degsy because I can't find any reputable corroboration for that following your post to me the other day questioning TFGs motives / ambition.

Not saying they haven't but I'd be surprised at this early stage and as I say can't find back up for this. Where did you read it amigo?

It was a few weeks ago an article picked up by a Toffeeweb reader.
£43 Million went out of the Club.

It wasn't an ' official dividend' paid out by a company to share holders like in the real world

But, as far as I can tell the money allegedly went to TFG
FROM 'a' Company with shareholders
TO the shareholders
who just happen to be an arm of TFG - who own 2,190,000 shares

If it walks like a dividend duck and quacks etc, etc.

(Plus there are a remainder of approx 7700 shares held by Individuals who own 1 or 2 shares each. Whose shares - again allegedly - may not be worth the paper they're printed on...nothing personal, just business - collateral damage)

But hey ho, it's their club, they own it and any subsidiaries and can I presume, move 'their own money' about how they wish.

 

[jazzy]

It was a few weeks ago an article picked up by a Toffeeweb reader.
£43 Million went out of the Club.

It wasn't an ' official dividend' paid out by a company to share holders like in the real world

But, as far as I can tell the money allegedly went to TFG
FROM 'a' Company with shareholders
TO the shareholders
who just happen to be an arm of TFG - who own 2,190,000 shares

If it walks like a dividend duck and quacks etc, etc.

(Plus there are a remainder of approx 7700 shares held by Individuals who own 1 or 2 shares each. Whose shares - again allegedly - may not be worth the paper they're printed on...nothing personal, just business - collateral damage)

But hey ho, it's their club, they own it and any subsidiaries and can I presume, move 'their own money' about how they wish.

Thanks for the detailed explanation.
I'm aware that they have made other cash injections into the club beyond the initial purchase so perhaps as you say it's just moving money between related companies.
That said it does sound a little worrying.

 

[Swartzy]

Players should only be getting sent out on loan if they are nowhere near level of getting in the team, i wouldn't say Armstrong was nowhere near our team at the start of the season even if everyone was fit and available. He may have benefitted from game time but I'm sure he would of got a lot of minutes here also.

I was against it at first, but having watched each game he's played it has definitely benefited him.
Whether he is good enough to play for us ( which he is ) we know what Moyes is like, and for him to sanction the loan, We know how it would have gone if he stayed.

It was half a season, he's now back and showing the benefit.

We obviously differ on opinions, but having Moyes as the manager, and watching him play weekly, sways my opinion..

 

[jceverton]

The single most pertinent question is: do you give Moyes another £100m in the summer to shape the future of this club when he has only 12 months left on his contract and will only care about what players do in that 12 month period?

I feel like the answer is obviously not.

Agreed but wasn't it the same answer last year?

 

[jceverton]

Thomas Frank was apparently the chosen one they wanted to replace Dyche with in the summer of 25.

The Danish David Moyes!

 

[hetion]

Agreed but wasn't it the same answer last year?

To a degree yes, but I think Moyes had earned the 25/26 season (unless a manager became available that you simply couldn't turn down), and he at least had two years left on his deal during last summer.

This coming summer, you're either giving him a new contract then and there, or he knows for certain he's done by the end of the season. And someone in that situation is the last person you want to be handing the keys to.

 

[jceverton]

To a degree yes, but I think Moyes had earned the 25/26 season (unless a manager became available that you simply couldn't turn down), and he at least had two years left on his deal during last summer.

This coming summer, you're either giving him a new contract then and there, or he knows for certain he's done by the end of the season. And someone in that situation is the last person you want to be handing the keys to.

I think TFG made a rod for their own back ditching the DOF role because of Moyes.

 

[Brisan123]

Glasner... branners, tarks, JOB ahead of pickford would be a strong defence

Would force the club to buy WBs coz it really is a specialist position

They won’t buy big standard 2 a penny full backs , what makes you think they will buy specialist wing backs

 

[hetion]

I think TFG made a rod for their own back ditching the DOF role because of Moyes.

This whole thing is really confusing to me. Because Kinnear speaks about moving away from DoF in a way that makes total sense - it's too much work and too many different areas of expertise to find someone who's genuinely good at all of it and can give it all of the necessary attention. So get more specialist experts in each field.

So why are we just giving Moyes control over everything anyway? It goes completely against the whole idea