Strikers

[Michael Tsui]

He didn't. He was better than what we had at the time and did what we expect any striker to do and that is to notch a couple of goals. He isn't prolific enough and never has been up to the standard we require and we need far better than he can offer.

The last thing a lone forward should look at is to punt the ball at goal. Certainly he can improve, but I will not really look at anything better than one goal every three games.

I remember that half season which he desperately tried to score something, and keep those hopeless shots out of the box into the keeper. Somehow as he is now told to act as a battering ram and open up space between lines he at least proves he's much, much more useful.

 

[Michael Tsui]

Are you saying he prefers black players.

Its actually strange to lump Moses with the other two, and Hugo is more of a powerful forward who don't defend. Kone is a better mold for a lone forward, to start with.

 

[Tree13]

In terms of context (i.e. where we are and where we're aiming to be) we've got the worst strike force in the Premiership, no doubt.

None of QPR, Reading, Wigan, Sunderland, Southampton, Stoke, Norwich, West Ham or WBA (Now that Lukaku's gone) have a better strike force. I would even say that although Michu has had a better season than Jelavic, our strikers combined are better than Swansea's strikers combined. Not that I wouldn't take Michu if he was available, but after him who exactly have they got? Their next highest scorer is De Guzman, a midfielder who takes pens, with 8. A similar argument could be made about Fulham (Berba; Petric) and Newcastle (Cisse; Cabaye).

In conclusion: we don't have the best strike force in the prem, but we do not have the worst by any stretch of the imagination. Put Felli back in CM and bring in a decent RM/RW, and I bet Jelavic and Anichebe would score 25 between them.

 

[Housequake]

None of QPR, Reading, Wigan, Sunderland, Southampton, Stoke, Norwich, West Ham or WBA (Now that Lukaku's gone) have a better strike force. I would even say that although Michu has had a better season than Jelavic, our strikers combined are better than Swansea's strikers combined.

The problem is mate is that none of those teams you mentioned are aiming to get into Europe, you've basically named the bottom half of the table there.

Read my original post that you quoted, in terms of context (in that we're Everton, we're one of the better teams in the division, we regularly finish in the top 7 unlike those teams you mentioned, we've been aiming for Champions League this past season...) the fact that we have Anichebe and Jelavic up front is f*cking embarassing.

 

[royalblue66]

The problem is mate is that none of those teams you mentioned are aiming to get into Europe, you've basically named the bottom half of the table there.

Read my original post that you quoted, in terms of context (in that we're Everton, we're one of the better teams in the division, we regularly finish in the top 7 unlike those teams you mentioned, we've been aiming for Champions League this past season...) the fact that we have Anichebe and Jelavic up front is f*cking embarassing.

Ther are people on here saying give Jella a chance,give Vic a chance ,move him there ,play someone else there
Give the Greek fella a run,We need a top slotter ffs,Martinez said we are going to attempt for the Champion league
And we ain't gunna do it with the strikers we have

 

[bluestevon]

Ther are people on here saying give Jella a chance,give Vic a chance ,move him there ,play someone else there
Give the Greek fella a run,We need a top slotter ffs,Martinez said we are going to attempt for the Champion league
And we ain't gunna do it with the strikers we have

Whilst i'm one of the people who thinks Jela can bounce back to his first 6 months form, even with that we still need a top forward to either play up with hm or if his form doesn't turn around to play ahead of him and we switch to one up front. Nobody else at the club atm is remotely good enough to do that so we need to buy, can see the other option of bringing a quality loan in to see if jela turns his form around with the obvious assumption that if he doesnt then in jan we go the sales

 

[Great Dane]

Sell Anichebe for around £4 m., buy Hooper and Kone for a combined £10-11 m. and were sorted.

 

[bluestevon]

Sell Anichebe for around £4 m., buy Hooper and Kone for a combined £10-11 m. and were sorted.

We need a proven slotter mate not a 30 year old whose never been prolific and a bloke from a joke league

 

[By god I'm blue]

We need 2 new strikers, hopefully this will give Jelavic and maybe Anichebe a kick up the arse.

Jelavic definitely deserves some perseverance, he has shown he can be top draw in his first half a season here. To dismiss him could prove foolish.

Anichebe really should be on last chance saloon.

 

[TheFinnFan]

How old is Bent?

 

[Jags..class]

None of QPR, Reading, Wigan, Sunderland, Southampton, Stoke, Norwich, West Ham or WBA (Now that Lukaku's gone) have a better strike force. I would even say that although Michu has had a better season than Jelavic, our strikers combined are better than Swansea's strikers combined. Not that I wouldn't take Michu if he was available, but after him who exactly have they got? Their next highest scorer is De Guzman, a midfielder who takes pens, with 8. A similar argument could be made about Fulham (Berba; Petric) and Newcastle (Cisse; Cabaye).

In conclusion: we don't have the best strike force in the prem, but we do not have the worst by any stretch of the imagination. Put Felli back in CM and bring in a decent RM/RW, and I bet Jelavic and Anichebe would score 25 between them.

Really, cant see that, Victor cannot score for toffee unless Moyes ruined them. Cant wait to see what they are like under MartinezErm some of those clubs have better strikers then us,Southamption have lambert who scored 15 goals and Jay Rodriguez who scored 9.Sunderland have Steven Fletcher who scored 11 before getting injured. Wiganhave kone who scored 11 in a poor team. Stoke have Crouch, walters, and kenwynejones, not impressive for stoke tho but it a **** club and it the best they canget right now. QPR have Remy who is miles better then Vitor.

 

[Housequake]

Aren't Jela and his people fishing for a pay rise or something of that ilk?

Playing like a [Poor language removed] for the past 8 months certainly hasn't increased the likelihood of that happening.

 

[blueblue]

I do think Jelavic sufferered from second season syndrome last season and I think we will see a much improved player next year.
However,a top club need more striking options and a new striker must be a priority.
Whereas David Moyes was a specialist in picking defenders(Kroldrup apart) and midfielders,Martinez has picked up some worthwhile attacking players,so let's see what he surpises us with.

I would say as well that if Chris Long continues to improve it won't be long before we see him get little bits of first team opportunities.He will be 19 next birthday so it's not as if he is too young.

 

[Tree13]

The problem is mate is that none of those teams you mentioned are aiming to get into Europe, you've basically named the bottom half of the table there.

Read my original post that you quoted, in terms of context (in that we're Everton, we're one of the better teams in the division, we regularly finish in the top 7 unlike those teams you mentioned, we've been aiming for Champions League this past season...) the fact that we have Anichebe and Jelavic up front is f*cking embarassing.

Drawing that context to it's apparent conclusion, what you're saying is the teams below us mostly have poorer strikers whereas the teams above us generally have better ones. Factoring in the buying power of the prem teams, it's hardly a surprise.

We simply can't afford to invest heavily in a proven striker like Benteke, simply because the Jelavic example demonstrates that strikers CAN lose their touch. Another example would be Torres moving to Chelsea, or Carroll to the RS. We don't have the funds to recover from mistakes like that. And all the time we don't have a right-sided player other than Mirallas, we are one injury away from having no right side at all - how many will we score then?

The right of midfield remains a bigger priority, and addressing it may well bear fruit in terms of more goals for Jelavic and Victor. If Jelavic had continued scoring this season at the rate he finished his first, he would have netted 24 or 25 goals: if the rest of our team was set, I'd be looking at replacing him, but it isn't so I'm not.

 

[Michael Tsui]

Really, cant see that, Victor cannot score for toffee unless Moyes ruined them. Cant wait to see what they are like under MartinezErm some of those clubs have better strikers then us,Southamption have lambert who scored 15 goals and Jay Rodriguez who scored 9.Sunderland have Steven Fletcher who scored 11 before getting injured. Wiganhave kone who scored 11 in a poor team. Stoke have Crouch, walters, and kenwynejones, not impressive for stoke tho but it a **** club and it the best they canget right now. QPR have Remy who is miles better then Vitor.

The number for Lambert is skewed since he's also the saints' penalty kicker, free kick specialist, target man, and main creative player. Basically they are playing as Lambert and Co. this year.

Fletcher and Kone is the right direction to start. Physical players, can bring others into play, strike rate is around one in three, not too selfish, not too shabby.