Should Moyes be in charge for the last two games?

[TEB335]

He should not be allowed to manage the team for the last games . His interest is elsewhere now.

 

[Ihaters]

Beyong embarrassing this thread. Conspiracy theories that normally could only be found on RAWK.

It's not enough for the Moyes haters that he's going. No, they want him out NOW leaving the club managerless for the last 2 games of the season. This is possibly a reasonable view to take and opinion is split. Personally I find it disrespectful both Moyes, and more importantly the club, as it would show us in a very bad light given the worldwide attention that there will now be on him.

But to then label anyone who disagrees with them as toothless imbeciles who accept mediocity and are basically responsible for the current position because they don't know Everton's history and have abandoned the club principles of demanding the best is frankly outrageous and beyond reproach. They are living in a fantasy world where it is still 1987, we've just won our 9th title and are one of the elite. Well sorry, we're not anymore. A big club still, yes, but not part of the elite. But one man has done his level best to get us back there, and today he is on the receiving end of some of the most invidious bile that some of our 'fans' have ever produced.

You can knock Moyes all you want for his tactics and style of play - that is fair game. But what you can't do is question the man's integrity and the dignified manner he has represented this football club over the last 11 years. He has been a brilliant ambassador. The disrespect for that shown by certain posters in this thread makes me sad that they call themselves Blues.

Sums it up nicely for me.

 

[Mrk]

Beyong embarrassing this thread. Conspiracy theories that normally could only be found on RAWK.

It's not enough for the Moyes haters that he's going. No, they want him out NOW leaving the club managerless for the last 2 games of the season. This is possibly a reasonable view to take and opinion is split. Personally I find it disrespectful both Moyes, and more importantly the club, as it would show us in a very bad light given the worldwide attention that there will now be on him.

But to then label anyone who disagrees with them as toothless imbeciles who accept mediocity and are basically responsible for the current position because they don't know Everton's history and have abandoned the club principles of demanding the best is frankly outrageous and beyond reproach. They are living in a fantasy world where it is still 1987, we've just won our 9th title and are one of the elite. Well sorry, we're not anymore. A big club still, yes, but not part of the elite. But one man has done his level best to get us back there, and today he is on the receiving end of some of the most invidious bile that some of our 'fans' have ever produced.

You can knock Moyes all you want for his tactics and style of play - that is fair game. But what you can't do is question the man's integrity and the dignified manner he has represented this football club over the last 11 years. He has been a brilliant ambassador. The disrespect for that shown by certain posters in this thread makes me sad that they call themselves Blues.

Spot on.

 

[evertony]

Beyong embarrassing this thread. Conspiracy theories that normally could only be found on RAWK.

It's not enough for the Moyes haters that he's going. No, they want him out NOW leaving the club managerless for the last 2 games of the season. This is possibly a reasonable view to take and opinion is split. Personally I find it disrespectful both Moyes, and more importantly the club, as it would show us in a very bad light given the worldwide attention that there will now be on him.

But to then label anyone who disagrees with them as toothless imbeciles who accept mediocity and are basically responsible for the current position because they don't know Everton's history and have abandoned the club principles of demanding the best is frankly outrageous and beyond reproach. They are living in a fantasy world where it is still 1987, we've just won our 9th title and are one of the elite. Well sorry, we're not anymore. A big club still, yes, but not part of the elite. But one man has done his level best to get us back there, and today he is on the receiving end of some of the most invidious bile that some of our 'fans' have ever produced.

You can knock Moyes all you want for his tactics and style of play - that is fair game. But what you can't do is question the man's integrity and the dignified manner he has represented this football club over the last 11 years. He has been a brilliant ambassador. The disrespect for that shown by certain posters in this thread makes me sad that they call themselves Blues.

Great post EB, and very eloquently put. All Blues and all with opinions....but some of the bitterness being spewed about Moyes now is embarrassing. He's that bad a manager that the (arguably) biggest brand in World football with (unarguably) the most successful ever manager have hand-picked him. We should simply show our appreciation, win the last two games and then concentrate on getting the right replacement.

 

[Ihaters]

They'll find reasons to justify it.

I am genuinely shocked at how defensive they have become.

It's probably because they invested so much in Moyes's "integrity" when he was stringing EFC along over why he was prevaricating over the new contract.

They are in denial and cannot face the truth.

So they lash out with great venom against those who love Everton FC more than they ever loved Moyes.

With these guys it's the opposite way round.

They have become supporters of David Moyes, not EFC.

This entire post is designed to provoke fellow Everton fans into an argument. I reckon it sums you up perfectly.

 

[toffeestillidie]

This debate is very very convoluted. I don't think anyone but a tiny minority disagree that Moyes deserves our appreciation for what he's done for the club. The issue is whether we should applaud him as he's managing the team on sunday, or if we should applaud when he's trotted out at half-time.

-I haven't seen a single one of the people who are arguing that he should manage the last 2 games provide an example of a single manager who has agreed to terms with another club and continued to manage. Maybe their are cases, but I'm not familiar. People keep saying Mourinho but he never did this.
Precedent is everything, and since this appears to be unprecedented I can see why people would call it classless.

-Saying that Moyes shouldn't manage the last two games Is Not a criticism against Moyes. If anything it's a criticism against Kenwright for choosing to keep him on. What you think about Moyes' legacy is a separate debate entirely. It's okay to recognize that his loyalties are now divided without having a go at him.

I'm firmly in the camp of people who say he should not manage on Sunday, even though some of them just seem to be anti-Moyes in general. Maybe if someone can bring up precedent they would change my mind, but literally every single post asking for precedent has been either ignored or answered inaccurately.

 

[magicjuan]

Cracking point. Sadly this has expanded Everton "brand" more than anything moyes actually achieved over the 11 years here

Genuinely curious as to how you see this. The 'brand' as you call it (<shudders>) has had a lot of media exposure, no arguing with that, but what do you think the neutral sees of Everton and it's 'brand' in this situation? How about around Europe and the world? Do you really believe people will look into our club's history and see us any differently? I think all people see is Man Utd going about their business however they see fit and for the benefit of their 'brand' and Everton as genuinely powerless, and to a great extent clueless, as to how to deal with it, at all. None of the moves, interviews or statements that have come out of the club support any other opinion. Double speak, ineptitude and bewilderment is how Everton have responded. I'm not overly fussed that that is how our 'brand' has been seen the last few days.

 

[Gwladys St. Glory]

All I can say is, when it comes to internal matters, perception is 9/10ths of the law. Right now, some perceive this as small time and some perceive it as the right thing to do. There's no need to throw out the insinuations about what does and doesn't make someone an Evertonian, though. The fact is, nobody here is a glory hunter...leave that to the United, Chelsea etc fans to argue over. Say your peace and leave it at that.

 

[nigelcoyb]

You would think the fact Moyes categorically duped the fans and possibly Kenwright (although I doubt it) would unify the support in uproar.

He hasn't waited till the summer, he didn't sort it after the January window yet some still bollock on about a man of integrity!!!

Forget what you think of his managerial abilities he has colluded with Ferguson - it is now on record the glazers knew in Feb, the idea ol' ginger wasn't tipped the wink by his golf partner fergie is "chemical ali" bullsht.

Of course just as complete tools believed him so it is here - you dopey chumps waffling on about how good bad or indifferent Moyes is are missing the point (as effin' usual) - he shafted us and if you really care for the club you don't like it.

Hence pack your BAGS Moyes and fck right off - TODAY!

 

[Ihaters]

This debate is very very convoluted. I don't think anyone but a tiny minority disagree that Moyes deserves our appreciation for what he's done for the club. The issue is whether we should applaud him as he's managing the team on sunday, or if we should applaud when he's trotted out at half-time.

-I haven't seen a single one of the people who are arguing that he should manage the last 2 games provide an example of a single manager who has agreed to terms with another club and continued to manage. Maybe their are cases, but I'm not familiar. People keep saying Mourinho but he never did this.
Precedent is everything, and since this appears to be unprecedented I can see why people would call it classless.

-Saying that Moyes shouldn't manage the last two games Is Not a criticism against Moyes. If anything it's a criticism against Kenwright for choosing to keep him on. What you think about Moyes' legacy is a separate debate entirely. It's okay to recognize that his loyalties are now divided without having a go at him.

I'm firmly in the camp of people who say he should not manage on Sunday, even though some of them just seem to be anti-Moyes in general. Maybe if someone can bring up precedent they would change my mind, but literally every single post asking for precedent has been either ignored or answered inaccurately.

A well reasoned post, thank you.
For me honoring a contract is more important than what others have done or not done in the past, and if he's still committed, and still contracted, and he's still our manager, I don't see the issue.
For me our manager should manage our team and that is not only not unprecedented.. that's the norm.
He's not a United manager till next season, at which point he won't be managing us, he'll be managing United.
I can see why some wouldn't want it, but to me it makes sense.

 

[Ihaters]

Of course just as complete tools believed him so it is here - you dopey chumps waffling on about how good bad or indifferent Moyes is are missing the point (as effin' usual)

Amazingly from a post explaining how he thought this incident would bring fans together.

 

[magicjuan]

Beyong embarrassing this thread. Conspiracy theories that normally could only be found on RAWK.

It's not enough for the Moyes haters that he's going. No, they want him out NOW leaving the club managerless for the last 2 games of the season. This is possibly a reasonable view to take and opinion is split. Personally I find it disrespectful both Moyes, and more importantly the club, as it would show us in a very bad light given the worldwide attention that there will now be on him.

But to then label anyone who disagrees with them as toothless imbeciles who accept mediocity and are basically responsible for the current position because they don't know Everton's history and have abandoned the club principles of demanding the best is frankly outrageous and beyond reproach. They are living in a fantasy world where it is still 1987, we've just won our 9th title and are one of the elite. Well sorry, we're not anymore. A big club still, yes, but not part of the elite. But one man has done his level best to get us back there, and today he is on the receiving end of some of the most invidious bile that some of our 'fans' have ever produced.

You can knock Moyes all you want for his tactics and style of play - that is fair game. But what you can't do is question the man's integrity and the dignified manner he has represented this football club over the last 11 years. He has been a brilliant ambassador. The disrespect for that shown by certain posters in this thread makes me sad that they call themselves Blues.

The overwhelming majority are quite happy, and most, enthusiastic, about giving Moyes a good send off and thank you, but not from the dug out, he could do it from the directors box, next to Bill. Your twisting of sentiments does not stand up to scrutiny. The world will see us as another victim of the power of money in the game. The responses by the club to losing it's manager have included shock, bewilderment, despair, sadness, all these coming from the chairman. Now, either he is suffering from all those emotional conditions or acting, either way it's another poor performance. That his mind is that clouded and he cannot think because he needs a contingency, quick, to cover himself, has allowed events to dictate what perception there is of the club as an institution for the remainder of the season. Sunday will not be about Everton appreciating Moyes, whatever happens, it is about him leaving to for another club he agreed to join this week, he will be tagged onto the story about Ferguson, while Everton FC play the waiters at the party. If some supporters are angry at that portrayal the have every right to be. "wow, if I do really well there, I will get noticed. It's a tough job, but I'm good enough to do it" from a google by a manager, really, merit etc? honestly?, sorry that is absolute bollocks, and seriously, from one blue to another, I genuinely feel for this club if you cannot see it, and promise that when you finally do, it will all be too late. Genuinely no offence intended, but yours is a different Everton to mine and that is Bill Kenwright's legacy.

 

[beachy]

This debate is very very convoluted. I don't think anyone but a tiny minority disagree that Moyes deserves our appreciation for what he's done for the club. The issue is whether we should applaud him as he's managing the team on sunday, or if we should applaud when he's trotted out at half-time.

I haven't seen a single one of the people who are arguing that he should manage the last 2 games provide an example of a single manager who has agreed to terms with another club and continued to manage. Maybe their are cases, but I'm not familiar. People keep saying Mourinho but he never did this.
Precedent is everything, and since this appears to be unprecedented I can see why people would call it classless.

-Saying that Moyes shouldn't manage the last two games Is Not a criticism against Moyes. If anything it's a criticism against Kenwright for choosing to keep him on. What you think about Moyes' legacy is a separate debate entirely. It's okay to recognize that his loyalties are now divided without having a go at him.

I'm firmly in the camp of people who say he should not manage on Sunday, even though some of them just seem to be anti-Moyes in general. Maybe if someone can bring up precedent they would change my mind, but literally every single post asking for precedent has been either ignored or answered inaccurately.

That's my thoughts. Kenwright should have taken it out of his hands by asking him to tender his resignation. Moyes could have said in the press conference how Everton are historic rivals to ManU and therefore it's better to move on immediately. Then he would have got a wonderful reception from the fans at half time, watching the game from the directors box before saying his goodbyes.

 

[nigelcoyb]

A well reasoned post, thank you.
For me honoring a contract is more important than what others have done or not done in the past, and if he's still committed, and still contracted, and he's still our manager, I don't see the issue.
For me our manager should manage our team and that is not only not unprecedented.. that's the norm.
He's not a United manager till next season, at which point he won't be managing us, he'll be managing United.
I can see why some wouldn't want it, but to me it makes sense.

Must be great to be so dispassionate, do you wear a cravat, smoking jacket and monocle watching motd declaring "kick it in the net, kick it.... go on kick it in the net...." imagining yourself a real supporter?

 

[EFC Si]

Should the manager of Everton FC be in charge of Everton FC during that last two games. Yes