Should Hibbert be 2nd choice Right Back?

[Dithering Dougie]

Do you still think Hibbert is a Premier League footballer ? A footballer who can play at the highest level ? Would you be sound and have no worries about Hibbert playing in a key game if Coleman isn't available.

Unless there's been some sort of catastrophic rule change and clubs that finish 5th get relegated, then yeah i'm pretty confident in saying Hibbert is still a Premier league player. I'd go further than that an say roughly 50% of the league would be lucky to have him as there first choice rightback.

I'm content enough to have him as back up to Coleman, I really don't know how much clearer I can make it to be honest.

 

[JP McMurphy]

Hibbo is past his best, but he shouldn't have to be ridiculed in these forums either.
Fantastic servant and would play any position for the cause if he was asked.

SO WOULD I. Tbh, I've always classed my fellow Evertonians to be more clued up than all other clubs' fans, but this thread has seriously dented that belief

 

[blue4eva77]

Unless there's been some sort of catastrophic rule change and clubs that finish 5th get relegated, then yeah i'm pretty confident in saying Hibbert is still a Premier league player. I'd go further than that an say roughly 50% of the league would be lucky to have him as there first choice rightback.

I'm content enough to have him as back up to Coleman, I really don't know how much clearer I can make it to be honest.

I think having Hibbert in the side pretty much eliminates any threat coming down the right hand side in an attacking sense. I'm not convinced of his ability anymore. Even his strong attribute, defending, is questionable.

We have better options at the club that's for sure. Didn't Stones play RB at some point last season ?

 

[Tilling]

I think having Hibbert in the side pretty much eliminates any threat coming down the right hand side in an attacking sense. I'm not convinced of his ability anymore. Even his strong attribute, defending, is questionable.

We have better options at the club that's for sure. Didn't Stones play RB at some point last season ?

Yes, against the [Poor language removed]. I believe we were mauled 4-0.

 

[Dithering Dougie]

I think having Hibbert in the side pretty much eliminates any threat coming down the right hand side in an attacking sense. I'm not convinced of his ability anymore. Even his strong attribute, defending, is questionable.

We have better options at the club that's for sure. Didn't Stones play RB at some point last season ?

We've still got Mirallas, McGeady and hopefully Atsu to play on the right, that's enough of a threat down one side.

Stones played most of his matches at rightback for Barnsley and has played there for England youth levels, when he played there last season in the derby he looked like a fish out of water but so did the rest of the team bar Mirallas. Stones may well occasionally cover for Coleman but I guess this depends on the opposition and how fit Jags and Distin are.

 

[blue4eva77]

We've still got Mirallas, McGeady and hopefully Atsu to play on the right, that's enough of a threat down one side.

Stones played most of his matches at rightback for Barnsley and has played there for England youth levels, when he played there last season in the derby he looked like a fish out of water but so did the rest of the team bar Mirallas. Stones may well occasionally cover for Coleman but I guess this depends on the opposition and how fit Jags and Distin are.

Its not though, not really.

Our tactics and the way we set up, the way we attack when in possession, our full backs are heavily involved. Rightly so too because as a team and the full backs we have, we are incredibly effective. With Hibbert in the side, we pretty much attack down our left side more often than not.

The way we play now under Martinez, our full backs are key......... in an attacking sense. Hibbert does not have this in his locker and never has.

 

[HarrisonEFC]

I'd like to see him play fully fit before definitely ruling him out but as it stands judging from pre season I would say no. On a second note however he wasn't the only player who had a poor game in the friendlies.

 

[Dithering Dougie]

Its not though, not really.

Our tactics and the way we set up, the way we attack when in possession, our full backs are heavily involved. Rightly so too because as a team and the full backs we have, we are incredibly effective. With Hibbert in the side, we pretty much attack down our left side more often than not.

The way we play now under Martinez, our full backs are key......... in an attacking sense. Hibbert does not have this in his locker and never has.

I realise how we play, I've been watching and playing football for 35 years. Coleman and Baines are unique, to get the equivalent of Coleman, a direct replica, would cost us money we can't afford to spend right now as other areas of the squad are in more urgent need of attention.

As I've pointed out it doesn't completely nullify our attacking threat down that side of the pitch, it may not be as effective but that's were Martinez earns his corn and alters out tactics to counter this. Martinez has backed his own judgment and gave Hibbert a two year deal expecting him to be able to contribute when called upon, he knows his limitations but he's obviously got plans that accommodate them.

I've never said Hibbert can offer the same attacking purpose Coleman does, he's never done it and expecting him to start to at 33 would ridiculous.

 

[blue4eva77]

I realise how we play, I've been watching and playing football for 35 years. Coleman and Baines are unique, to get the equivalent of Coleman, a direct replica, would cost us money we can't afford to spend right now as other areas of the squad are in more urgent need of attention.

As I've pointed out it doesn't completely nullify our attacking threat down that side of the pitch, it may not be as effective but that's were Martinez earns his corn and alters out tactics to counter this. Martinez has backed his own judgment and gave Hibbert a two year deal expecting him to be able to contribute when called upon, he knows his limitations but he's obviously got plans that accommodate them.

I've never said Hibbert can offer the same attacking purpose Coleman does, he's never done it and expecting him to start to at 33 would ridiculous.

Good post. Remember though that we did only pay 60k for Coleman.

Like ive said..... think we have better options at the club to slot in if Coleman is out.

 

[PhilM]

Nice post, i get what you're saying.

However........

Do you think he is good enough to be our back up right back now ? Are you fine with him starting at Leicester ?

The original post I was referring to you and the question you are asking, or the answer you are attempting to manipulate from myself, are not one and the same.

It is the same as saying as saying: does have a dog have four legs? Therefore as a result, do dogs like cat food? Same relevance between the two.

Would Hibbert have made it as a footballer has no relevance to should he play on the opening day of the season.

Nevertheless, as I'm in a jolly good mood I will answer the question you've posed. Quite easily I can say 'No I am not'.

Defensively he has, and hopefully still is, sound. He can read the game relatively well, has had a strong tackle and has shown reliability.

However, as I've mentioned his offensive abilities are somewhat lacking. Singularly that is concerning, yet it it's overall effect which is of a concern.

If he is unable to gallop forward like a cavalry horse, sending the foe into retreat, then our right hand side will be significantly weakened.

Will this force Mirallas to adopt his game? How about the movement of other players (Barkley et al)? Will it overwork the left? All these are genuine concerns.

While I believe that he still has some ability to commit at the back (when the rustiness is off his iron legs), it is the adaptation of our overall game plan which cannot be jepardised in the long term.

Short term yes, but in the long term it must be something which we address.

Anyway regardless of what we think, unless there is a dramatic shift in the universe as we know it, he WILL start against Leicester so let's get use to it and support him and Martinez.

However.... In the spirit of your original post...

If Tony Hibbert was a type of dog: what type of dog would he be?

 

[blue4eva77]

The original post I was referring to you and the question you are asking, or the answer you are attempting to manipulate from myself, are not one and the same.

It is the same as saying as saying: does have a dog have four legs? Therefore as a result, do dogs like cat food? Same relevance between the two.

Would Hibbert have made it as a footballer has no relevance to should he play on the opening day of the season.

Nevertheless, as I'm in a jolly good mood I will answer the question you've posed. Quite easily I can say 'No I am not'.

Defensively he has, and hopefully still is, sound. He can read the game relatively well, has had a strong tackle and has shown reliability.

However, as I've mentioned his offensive abilities are somewhat lacking. Singularly that is concerning, yet it it's overall effect which is of a concern.

If he is unable to gallop forward like a cavalry horse, sending the foe into retreat, then our right hand side will be significantly weakened.

Will this force Mirallas to adopt his game? How about the movement of other players (Barkley et al)? Will it overwork the left? All these are genuine concerns.

While I believe that he still has some ability to commit at the back (when the rustiness is off his iron legs), it is the adaptation of our overall game plan which cannot be jepardised in the long term.

Short term yes, but in the long term it must be something which we address.

Anyway regardless of what we think, unless there is a dramatic shift in the universe as we know it, he WILL start against Leicester so let's get use to it and support him and Martinez.

However.... In the spirit of your original post...

If Tony Hibbert was a type of dog: what type of dog would he be?

I can honestly say mate

I have absolutely no idea what you're rattling on about. I can't keep up with the many different things you're referring too.

Bottom line is this: Hibbert is an awful player now. When he plays in our team, he is a weak link and i mean that in every aspect of his game. No doubt about it. Should i get used to that ? ...... happened i long time ago mate.

 

[PhilM]

I can honestly say mate

I have absolutely no idea what you're rattling on about. I can't keep up with the many different things you're referring too.

Okay then, to summarise my points:

• You tried to lead my original point which was about starting his career towards a loaded question to support your view,
• No I do not think he should be relied upon as our right back,
• Defensively he MAY still be good (he may not be) but offensively he is poor - this is good and bad,
• I fear it will also effect other players performances by his failings - this is bad,
  
• It may also effect our tactics - this is very BAD!
  
• Doesn't matter what we think, he WILL start against Leicester though if Coleman doesn't return,
• I haven't at any point suggested or told you to get used to it - I was just making a point,
  
• Relax your blood pressure may be rising,
• What type of dog do you associate with Tony Hibbert? - this is light hearted humour.

 

[Blue_in_london]

I think he's well past it. Looked very poor on the ball and perhaps more worryingly, physically weak, for a player who's game relies on tough tackling.

It would be an injustice to the service he has given over the years to Everton FC to start him in a top flight game on his current showing. Think it's a case of been out for too long at this stage in his career.

Prove me wrong though and play a blinder against Leicester City!

 

[blue4eva77]

Okay then, to summarise my points:

• You tried to lead my original point which was about starting his career towards a loaded question to support your view,
• No I do not think he should be relied upon as our right back,
• Defensively he MAY still be good (he may not be) but offensively he is poor - this is good and bad,
• I fear it will also effect other players performances by his failings - this is bad,
  
• It may also effect our tactics - this is very BAD!
  
• Doesn't matter what we think, he WILL start against Leicester though if Coleman doesn't return,
• I haven't at any point suggested or told you to get used to it - I was just making a point,
  
• Relax your blood pressure may be rising,
• What type of dog do you associate with Tony Hibbert? - this is light hearted humour.

I'm glad we can agree on this.

My blood pressure is fine lad. However, i fear that Hibbert may cause it to rise during the Leicester game. Everton aint it.

EDIT: Sorry forgot to answer your question. One with Arthritis ?

 

[streeky]

He was our weak link even in his prime.I remember sitting at Wembley watching the cup final against Chelsea thinking they are targeting tony .Still love him though blue through and through.