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toffee66
Player Valuation: £10m
Neiler, makes some valid points although I don't completely agree on the conclusions.
There is no question that factoring in wages and offsetting amortisation we'll take a financial bath offloading some of the dross we've bought in the last two seasons. He is correct that we are at the mercy of the market, may need 2-3 years not one to complete the clear-out and might even have to sell some players we'd rather keep and get stuck with some dross we'd rather offload. Overall I estimate the £150m that Moshiri has put in is reduced to something like £60-75m realisable value that can potentially be reinvested.
However, as our squad is far too big and that original investment was so unwisely squandered it should be possible to absorb that economic loss to the owner and hence the club without automatically damaging our ability to compete as a team. We should be capable of performing to/above last year's level with a smaller squad and budget if Brands and Silva perform well and reinvest what they can wisely.
Where it really hurts us in restricting our ability to kick-on from there. We've effectively wasted the one-off turbo boost from Moshiri so we now have to progress the old-fashioned way by developing both the team and the commercial business hand-in-hand. It is hard to have confidence in our Board to deliver that unless Brands can give them a huge helping hand by creating a genuine top 6 level squad on a break-even budget over the next 3 years.
There is no question that factoring in wages and offsetting amortisation we'll take a financial bath offloading some of the dross we've bought in the last two seasons. He is correct that we are at the mercy of the market, may need 2-3 years not one to complete the clear-out and might even have to sell some players we'd rather keep and get stuck with some dross we'd rather offload. Overall I estimate the £150m that Moshiri has put in is reduced to something like £60-75m realisable value that can potentially be reinvested.
However, as our squad is far too big and that original investment was so unwisely squandered it should be possible to absorb that economic loss to the owner and hence the club without automatically damaging our ability to compete as a team. We should be capable of performing to/above last year's level with a smaller squad and budget if Brands and Silva perform well and reinvest what they can wisely.
Where it really hurts us in restricting our ability to kick-on from there. We've effectively wasted the one-off turbo boost from Moshiri so we now have to progress the old-fashioned way by developing both the team and the commercial business hand-in-hand. It is hard to have confidence in our Board to deliver that unless Brands can give them a huge helping hand by creating a genuine top 6 level squad on a break-even budget over the next 3 years.
Whilst I agree that there has to be a clear out of the deadwood, and there will be, the way the transfer window is structured this year just makes everything a bit more difficult.
If the players have to go BEFORE new players are signed the window is about face for our requirements, closing much earlier than usual (with a world cup taking up 4(?) weeks) and then another couple of months where sales (outside the PL) are allowed.
Need Moshiri to front the cash on the basis the sales will follow to ensure we get the players we want imo. Hopefully his statement about there being no money worries under him prove to be true
If the players have to go BEFORE new players are signed the window is about face for our requirements, closing much earlier than usual (with a world cup taking up 4(?) weeks) and then another couple of months where sales (outside the PL) are allowed.
Need Moshiri to front the cash on the basis the sales will follow to ensure we get the players we want imo. Hopefully his statement about there being no money worries under him prove to be true
But if I get 5k back from selling my old car, I have only spent 25k to get a car worth 20k. Far from ideal, but better than spending 30k, along with running costs for 2 cars instead of 1.
Its because we have 38 player ffs....just makes sense.
We have to sell, as in get that number down!!!
We have to sell, as in get that number down!!!
blue62
Player Valuation: £5m
I don't think there's anything else the club can say publicly, it's obvious that we've made some bad buys but their not necessarily bad players, they just don't work as a team and for that Koeman and Walsh should shoulder the blame. Brands and Silva have to clear out and can hardly tell the world we have money to burn, but I still think there will be investment, otherwise you'd have to question Brands judgement in joining Everton in the first place.
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HongKongToffee
Player Valuation: £6m
Scandalous the money that Walsh wasted.
If that money was spent well it could have set this club up for the next 3-4 seasons,having the nucleus of a squad like Spurs have had the last 3 seasons that pushed on every season.
Brands has come into the club 2 years to late,instead of recruiting players he's going to be wasting time getting rid of the garbage at the club,especially around a summer of the WC,which is the biggest shop window in football.
Turnover doesn't bring a lot of confidence as the top 6 are all going to be over £400 million in the next results and we are going to be stuck around 200 million plus behind,and the financial gap is going to be so big we will never catch up,and i'd be shocked to see what the wages to turnover % is after the terrible splurging of Walsh.
Was Moshiri really an accountant because i dispute that claim seeing the money wasted the last 18 months.
If that money was spent well it could have set this club up for the next 3-4 seasons,having the nucleus of a squad like Spurs have had the last 3 seasons that pushed on every season.
Brands has come into the club 2 years to late,instead of recruiting players he's going to be wasting time getting rid of the garbage at the club,especially around a summer of the WC,which is the biggest shop window in football.
Turnover doesn't bring a lot of confidence as the top 6 are all going to be over £400 million in the next results and we are going to be stuck around 200 million plus behind,and the financial gap is going to be so big we will never catch up,and i'd be shocked to see what the wages to turnover % is after the terrible splurging of Walsh.
Was Moshiri really an accountant because i dispute that claim seeing the money wasted the last 18 months.
I’m no accountant or expert on ffp, but surely 12m income is better for the books this year than a 4.8m amortisation? And wouldn’t any incoming fee also be spread over 5 years, meaning an accounting loss of 2.4m per year over 4 years, and a profit of 2.4 in the fifth year?
HongKongToffee
Player Valuation: £6m
Savic for 50 no chance,it will be around 75 million.
Lazio want big money for him and you really think he would come to us,he will have a host of CL calibre clubs after him if the price is reasonable.
I can see him being the Pogba replacement when United eventually sell that overrated fraud.
Anyone with any sense knows we need to sell a ton of players. For every one coming in at least 2 need the boot. We need the squad down to no more than 30.
Hurry up and get them all out to frig Marcel.
Hurry up and get them all out to frig Marcel.
Spencer
Player Valuation: £500k
Hang on, which is it? We're selling because we're skint, or we're selling because the players are not good enough and to replace them?
Make your mind up!
No, I don't think he would mate - my posts were in response to a poster who had mentioned him as an example
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