Roberto Martinez discussion

[Dithering Dougie]

They were ok with it up until the last three games of the season where we were terrible, and gifted 4th place away. Most forget this as they were `giddy` with a record points haul. This slide continued in all the pre season games and has continued throughout this season. In my opinion the last three games of last season other teams had worked out how to play against us, and Martinez had no plan b. He has been dogmatic about his philosophy and refuses to adapt. We play the same against all opposition, surely you would set up differently against say Chelsea, then stoke? not Martinez 70% possession and nothing to show for it, same approach each game. I think the players are fed up with it as well, its `grim reaper` time

Didn't we comfortably beat Hull away in the last game?

 

[eddy]

I stand corrected, yes we beat Hull in the last game, and also United but lost to City, Southampton, and Palace. The philosophy was beginning to show then City 3-2, Palace 3-2,
Our weakness in defense was beginning to show with these results! As for the United game what can I say! .. every team was thumping them then as the players wanted Moyes out

 

[Dithering Dougie]

I stand corrected, yes we beat Hull in the last game, after losing to City, Southampton, United, and palace

Erm we beat United and looked good against City though.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I call it exploiting your former club for personal gain.

What by not taking the job? Yeah right oh.

 

[eddy]

Erm we beat United and looked good against City though.

Everyone was whacking United back then! City played the way Martinez wanted them to play against us, thats the problem, he has been sussed out, we are easy pickings now, pass it about 70% possession, tire us out and exploit our mistakes passing back, etc Newcastle

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

What by not taking the job? Yeah right oh.

Gray was explaining his reasons for a baffling change of mind. "In my heart I wanted to manage Everton, in many ways it would have been the realisation of a dream," he said. "But increasingly, over the weekend, my head has been telling me different things."

Wonder if it had anything to do with the pay rise he was rumoured to have been given by Sky.

 

[Dithering Dougie]

Everyone was whacking United back then! City played the way Martinez wanted them to play against us, thats the problem, he has been sussed out, we are easy pickings now, pass it about 70% possession, tire us out and exploit our mistakes passing back, etc Newcastle

He's not been sussed out that just a lazy excuse people use without examing the situation. We've suffered badly from injuries and fitness to key players (he needs to address that and take responsibility for the poor pre season) and its effected confidence. It's been a poor first half of the season but we're gradually getting players back and fit hopefully this intense training break will help with the fitness levels and when players like McCarthy, Howard and Pienaar return results and performances will improve.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

He's not been sussed out that just a lazy excuse people use without examing the situation. We've suffered badly from injuries and fitness to key players (he needs to address that and take responsibility for the poor pre season) and its effected confidence. It's been a poor first half of the season but we're gradually getting players back and fit hopefully this intense training break will help with the fitness levels and when players like McCarthy, Howard and Pienaar return results and performances will improve.

Phenomenal

 

[Charlie Croker]

I bet you were right behind Kendall in his 3rd stint as well David, I mean surely what he had done before meant he should have been given more time?

Anyway, its simple what needs to be done here, we are a team in trouble, looking down the barrel of relegation, days we thought had gone, theres only 1 man that can take us back to the promised land of 5th.

Come home David, the chosen one, In Moyes We Again Must Trust.

There may be some competition for his signature. Manure are not doing very well, considering their recent expenditure.

 

[Dithering Dougie]

Phenomenal

Thank you.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Gray was explaining his reasons for a baffling change of mind. "In my heart I wanted to manage Everton, in many ways it would have been the realisation of a dream," he said. "But increasingly, over the weekend, my head has been telling me different things."

Wonder if it had anything to do with the pay rise he was rumoured to have been given by Sky.

Gray bottled it and took the safe, more lucrative option, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Thank you.

This site really needs that sarcasm font......

 

[Shagster]

Excuse me, but that sounds like a fundamental change to what went before to me.

As for the different tempo played this season: that is down to a lot of key injuries to players who can drive that tempo on.

There's no question Martinez shoulders a lot of blame here, but to deny the relevance of his first season as a reason to pour scorn on the people calling for his head right now is ridiculous.

In a way last season was the worst thing that could have happened to Martinez ...and Kenwright. If we look at this in the context of having had Moyes for 10 years even with the ups and downs in those 10 years; The general trend was that we were in a better place after 10 years than when Moyes took over.

Lets not forget Moyes chose to go which left Bill with a problem of filling that void. Bill knew he had to choose a manager that had a long term vision, someone at the helm to be there for another 10 years - the way Bill likes it because it means less difficult conversations for him. To have that first season with RM, took everyone by surprise. Whereas Bill would have expected a slow burning, upward trajectory, re shaping of the EFC identity over several seasons - based on the job interview and vision/strategy presented to him by RM.

The fact that last season happened albeit against a back drop of inheriting a team already match conditioned and fit from Moyes, a premier league where key rivals were poor, and not withstanding the fact that in quite a few games we were gash; has interrupted that process.

IMO I agree that a club in our position should seek that stability based on a vision, but that RM was the wrong choice. However what I/we all think is irrelevant for now.... Bill will hold the burning candle until the heat becomes too much too handle.

 

[Khalekan]

Gray bottled it and took the safe, more lucrative option, nothing more, nothing less.

I think "bottled it" is totally inappropriate in this circumstance.

He was offered a job, thought about it and decided to stick with one which was not only safer, but paid better as well.

Only a fool would do otherwise, IMO.

 

[eddy]

He's not been sussed out that just a lazy excuse people use without examing the situation. We've suffered badly from injuries and fitness to key players (he needs to address that and take responsibility for the poor pre season) and its effected confidence. It's been a poor first half of the season but we're gradually getting players back and fit hopefully this intense training break will help with the fitness levels and when players like McCarthy, Howard and Pienaar return results and performances will improve.

It seems Martinez just cant adapt his style of management or play. I think he has been found out, and we will find out on Saturday, believe me I hope he proves me wrong and we string a run of results together over the top teams much like he did at Wigan when he kept them up! Whats the deal with losing most of our key medical staff and the increased injuries? Appears Bobby`s NVQ in physiotherapy trumps the clubs backroom staff! The injuries in my opinion are directly linked to the loss of our medical staff and training sessions all Martinez`s responsibility

Watching Martinez it is like he is screaming at the other team ` No I want you to play like this` then we can play passing attacking football and get a result along the lines of 7-6 to us, when they have him sussed out and just park the bus, and just sit back and pressure our weak back passes, becoming embarrassing to watch! No plan B ...... Grim reaper time!