Roberto Martinez discussion

[maccavennie]

Don't think I've ever been more excited to go the match just to, more or less, see how he plays.

Masterstroke from Martinez to pull him back here

Agreed mate. I think I may have mentioned what a superb signing it was in the summer, certainly by far the signing I thought was a steal. Not arsed about all these buy back clauses, he's loving it here and why wouldn't he playing for a top club in front of the best fans in the land and playing in front of one of the best right backs he will ever have the pleasure playing with.

Give him the ball, let him do his magic and the rest takes care of itself. 4.2m ffs lol

 

[ilikecheese]

honestly mate its up to you, go with Martinez being amazing or whatever, I'll say we have gone from 5th to 11th to 9th having won just over a third this season. lets hope you're right.

Big difference there pal. This season isn't over.

I hope you got this mad when Moyes regularly got off to worse starts to seasons.

 

[ianefc]

Big difference there pal. This season isn't over.

I hope you got this mad when Moyes regularly got off to worse starts to seasons.

Moyes was abysmal at starting seasons and was rightly criticised

 

[Zatara]

Thats debilitating....whats debititating?

Edit: guess a typo.

To weaken your appreciation of.

 

[Zatara]

@ianefc

If you want to go down the statistics route then here are 7 players with an average age of 21.86.

LB - Galloway 19
LCB - Mori 24
RCB - Stones 21
CM - McCarthy 25
RW -Deulofeu 21
AM - Barkley 21
CF - Lukaku 22

Coleman (27) also came into the professional game late and Cleverley is also just 26 years old...

Adding them both would take us to an average age on 9 players of 22.88.

Really if you look at the first eleven then there is a gulf in age between the group above and then:

Howard - 36
Jagielka - 33
Baines - 31 next week
Kone - 32
Barry - 35 in feb

This is where if we add in Barry and Howard the average age of this 11 is 25 years old.

For me, without an agenda i think we need to objectively look at this:

7 players average age = 21.86
9 players average age = 22.88

Adding in the older players skews the numbers by several years and its detracts from the fact our core group is massively inexperienced and if players are meant to hit their peak at 27-30 years old we are 5 or 6 years away from that for the main group.

Additionally,our squad isnt that strong behind the players listed...

So we basically have a very young team who are somehow expected to reach the top 4. I think this is unrealistic.

Perversely i think in 2 seasons time when Howard, Barry and a few others have been replaced with top quality into the core group i think despite the age group still being under 25 at that time we will have more of a chance of top 4.

Because this core group will have 2 seasons more experience and the quality of players brought into the squad should improve as well not to mention these young players will organically be improving every season.

I think these are the kind of numbers we should be looking at as well as spend on wages when looking at league position. Clearly the average age has come down enormously since Martinez took over.

 

[ilikecheese]

Moyes was abysmal at starting seasons and was rightly criticised

Well done on avoiding the first part of my post.

 

[ianefc]

Well done on avoiding the first part of my post.

I know the season isn't over we are a 1/3 of the way through. I hope it gets better and move up the league. You aren't going to convince me, the only thing that will is points on the board.

 

[ianefc]

@ianefc

If you want to go down the statistics route then here are 7 players with an average age of 21.86.

LB - Galloway 19
LCB - Mori 24
RCB - Stones 21
CM - McCarthy 25
RW -Deulofeu 21
AM - Barkley 21
CF - Lukaku 22

Coleman (27) also came into the professional game late and Cleverley is also just 26 years old...

Adding them both would take us to an average age on 9 players of 22.88.

Really if you look at the first eleven then there is a gulf in age between the group above and then:

Howard - 36
Jagielka - 33
Baines - 31 next week
Kone - 32
Barry - 35 in feb

This is where if we add in Barry and Howard the average age of this 11 is 25 years old.

For me, without an agenda i think we need to objectively look at this:

7 players average age = 21.86
9 players average age = 22.88

Adding in the older players skews the numbers by several years and its detracts from the fact our core group is massively inexperienced and if players are meant to hit their peak at 27-30 years old we are 5 or 6 years away from that for the main group.

Additionally,our squad isnt that strong behind the players listed...

So we basically have a very young team who are somehow expected to reach the top 4. I think this is unrealistic.

Perversely i think in 2 seasons time when Howard, Barry and a few others have been replaced with top quality into the core group i think despite the age group still being under 25 at that time we will have more of a chance of top 4.

Because this core group will have 2 seasons more experience and the quality of players brought into the squad should improve as well not to mention these young players will organically be improving every season.

I think these are the kind of numbers we should be looking at as well as spend on wages when looking at league position. Clearly the average age has come down enormously since Martinez took over.

Fair play mate for taking the time to put all that together. I know we have a young squad, u appreciate their will be inconsistencies, but I worry some of the top drawer youth won't hang around with mid table finishes, therefore it's something that I think we need to improve now to keep the team together, or the squad COULDz be dismantled. Which also happen even if we do do well. We just have to give ourself every opportunity.

 

[ianefc]

@ianefc

If you want to go down the statistics route then here are 7 players with an average age of 21.86.

LB - Galloway 19
LCB - Mori 24
RCB - Stones 21
CM - McCarthy 25
RW -Deulofeu 21
AM - Barkley 21
CF - Lukaku 22

Coleman (27) also came into the professional game late and Cleverley is also just 26 years old...

Adding them both would take us to an average age on 9 players of 22.88.

Really if you look at the first eleven then there is a gulf in age between the group above and then:

Howard - 36
Jagielka - 33
Baines - 31 next week
Kone - 32
Barry - 35 in feb

This is where if we add in Barry and Howard the average age of this 11 is 25 years old.

For me, without an agenda i think we need to objectively look at this:

7 players average age = 21.86
9 players average age = 22.88

Adding in the older players skews the numbers by several years and its detracts from the fact our core group is massively inexperienced and if players are meant to hit their peak at 27-30 years old we are 5 or 6 years away from that for the main group.

Additionally,our squad isnt that strong behind the players listed...

So we basically have a very young team who are somehow expected to reach the top 4. I think this is unrealistic.

Perversely i think in 2 seasons time when Howard, Barry and a few others have been replaced with top quality into the core group i think despite the age group still being under 25 at that time we will have more of a chance of top 4.

Because this core group will have 2 seasons more experience and the quality of players brought into the squad should improve as well not to mention these young players will organically be improving every season.

I think these are the kind of numbers we should be looking at as well as spend on wages when looking at league position. Clearly the average age has come down enormously since Martinez took over.

Also the word agenda doesn't sit well with me, if Everton do well you won't hear from me, because I'm fickle like that. My agenda is Everton winning, couldn't give a toss who gets them to do it. If Martinez does it then great.

 

[Zatara]

I meant me having any agenda because i could have added more older players into the average age which would have increased it.

Also the word agenda doesn't sit well with me, if Everton do well you won't hear from me, because I'm fickle like that. My agenda is Everton winning, couldn't give a toss who gets them to do it. If Martinez does it then great.

 

[By god I'm blue]

Jeez, just realised that after tomorrows game we could be as low as 12th going into the Palace game. Considering we have lost only 3 that doesn't make good reading.

Don't beat Palace and the nay sayers will be out in force again! Especially if we are not in the top 8 at the 1/2 way point.

 

[maccavennie]

Jeez, just realised that after tomorrows game we could be as low as 12th going into the Palace game. Considering we have lost only 3 that doesn't make good reading.

Don't beat Palace and the nay sayers will be out in force again! Especially if we are not in the top 8 at the 1/2 way point.

Other way to look at it is of we beat Palace on Monday evening and results are kind to us, we could be sitting 6th. It's very tight all through the league atm, we just need to keep picking up wins and stay in touch with those at the top.

Palace will be a tough game but I think we will win 3-1, we've got game changers bang in form which is what you want at this time of year. We seen last year what a disaster this period is if your out of form, it basically finishes your season off.

 

[deipnosophist]

Jeez, just realised that after tomorrows game we could be as low as 12th going into the Palace game.

well Stoke, Southampton, Watford could conceivably overtake us. Good news is that WBA need to win by 14 clear goals to surpass us.
Leaving aside the WBA outlier, Paddy Power has the odds of all the other three winning at about 17/1 (on an accumulator).

 

[Saint Domingo]

Also the word agenda doesn't sit well with me, if Everton do well you won't hear from me, because I'm fickle like that. My agenda is Everton winning, couldn't give a toss who gets them to do it. If Martinez does it then great.

You forget though mate, that even though you want Everton to improve and therefore logically Martinez to improve, if they actually do improve you won't be allowed to enjoy it because you were one of dem bad plotterz who wanted him out lad.

 

[ianefc]

You forget though mate, that even though you want Everton to improve and therefore logically Martinez to improve, if they actually do improve you won't be allowed to enjoy it because you were one of dem bad plotterz who wanted him out lad.

It'll be at that point I remember that I'm an adult and think to myself I couldn't give a toss what a fellow forum user thinks about me.