Roberto Martinez discussion

[Titus Bramble]

I'm not saying he's without faults but which manager is? He failed at Chelsea and to a lesser extent at spurs due to circumstances beyond his control. Ok so he followed the money to Russia but at least he succeeded there. I'd probably even accept Benitez if he was available due to the fact he has at least got some kind of pedigree.

So you want to replace our current manager, who has his faults, with another manager who also has his faults? What will that achieve exactly?

 

[Dithering Dougie]

winnable games eh...

Q) Would Bournemouth have been one of those 'winnable games' ?

A) On Friday or even at HT Sat yes it might have been...but you have to actually win them

apropos nothing; now and again I see this 27goals scored popping up in the apologistas corner.

Well lets look a little closer

Just under half of those goals have been scored in the last 3 games Vs the bottom 3 Clubs, with the added advantage(?) of 2 home games

14 games in we have;
F27 A19 for 21 Pts

last 3 games
F13 A5 for 7Pts

So in the previous 11 games we scored F14 A14...for 14Pts

rippin it up here boss.

yes; I know he's not going anywhere soon.

No; I don't have to like it much

btw, yes; I hope we smash the Boro

This sounds a lot like the Lukaku bashers from last season when apparently goals in the Europa league don't count or neither did penalties, very odd way to look at it if you ask me.

 

[Baines' left foot]

If we finish 7th behind all the rich teams again then the blame will solely be at Martinez's door for not making us over achieve and finish above teams with much more money than us.

He's an utter fraud get this man out the club would rather have Gary Megson at least he can defend a 2 goal lead.

Fraud.

 

[degsy]

There is no replacement...there will be NO replacement. Martinez is running the whole organisation now. He's not just the manager, he's the public face of the football club on and off the pitch. Who else is there, now that Kenwright is in absentia? He is Everton.

For those reasons, Martinez's position has never been stronger. Not only that, right now we're playing some of the best attacking football in the country, scoring shed loads of goals, 4 points off 5th (7 points off a CL spot), in the QFs of a cup (hopefully SFs by the end of the day) and he's ensured we have 4/5 of potentially the best players in the world in a couple of years in our team.

The feller's fireproof.

Enjoy this type of football and football education whilst you can; when Everton do eventually replace Martinez in 3-5 years time, you're likely to get the Tony Pulis/Sam Alardyce of the day rather than the AVB of the day.

Not that ( in this post ) you don't have a few truths.

but do we need this condescending football education S**te

 

[Kev The Rat]

So you want to replace our current manager, who has his faults, with another manager who also has his faults? What will that achieve exactly?

In my opinion Martinez faults far outweigh any that AVB currently possesses.

 

[Nymzee]

As much as I like to err on the side of caution with the manager, for every part of his personality and managerial style I detest, there are also those that I love. Sure I wish he'd stop being so Ned Flanders positive all the time but I also love what he's doing with our younger players. Grass isn't always greener and who out there would you genuinely consider an improvement that we could afford and that would want to stay with us for a long time?

 

[Titus Bramble]

In my opinion Martinez faults far outweigh any that AVB currently possesses.

Could you give some comparisons of their strengths and weaknesses, in your opinion, please?

 

[Nymzee]

Are people actually suggesting AVB would be an upgrade? Get a grip he failed at TWO Premier League clubs and played the most dull football I'd ever seen till LVG came along.

 

[davek]

Not that ( in this post ) you don't have a few truths.

but do we need this condescending football education S**te

It's a fact. There are people who've grown up watching Everton who think the muck served up by Moyes constitutes the brand of football we should aspire to. That was evident last winter.

Martinez is dragging them kicking and screaming back to the club's traditions as a football playing outfit. I dont know how best to describe that process other than to call it an education.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Could you give some comparisons of their strengths and weaknesses, in your opinion, please?

Tactical discipline, managed at several of Europes top clubs. Did not 'fail' at Spurs until Bale was sold from under him - in stark contrast to the Catalan who has had the board defend him from all comers for his best players - Baines, Coleman , McCarthy , mirallas, stones to name but 5.

Has won 2 league titles in credible European leagues. Not taken any team to a lower than top 6 finish in his countries top league. Managed with some success in the champions league. Martinez has only managed at Wigan and after several attempts finally got them relegated.

Most of all it's the tactical discipline that AVB will bring in that destroys the credibility of Martinez as a manager.

 

[hktoffee]

If we finish 7th behind all the rich teams again then the blame will solely be at Martinez's door for not making us over achieve and finish above teams with much more money than us.

He's an utter fraud get this man out the club would rather have Gary Megson at least he can defend a 2 goal lead.

Fraud.

In my opinion if Martinez gets us top 6 with a Europa place then it is a good achievement. Of course we all want the League Cup.

 

[deipnosophist]

I see our friend FCBarca contributes in the comments section below the main article...talking about Deulofeu as per!!

http://www.theguardian.com/football...iddlesbrough-capital-one-cup-roberto-Martinez

 

[Kev The Rat]

To me Martinez is actually Moyes with a few stylistic differences. The end results are the same.

Small time the pair of them,which goes well with the board as they complement each other.

 

[degsy]

It's a fact. There are people who've grown up watching Everton who think the muck served up by Moyes constitutes the brand of football we should aspire to. That was evident last winter.

Martinez is dragging them kicking and screaming back to the club's traditions as a football playing outfit. I dont know how best to describe that process other than to call it an education.

no mate it's not a fact - as in quantifiably proven; QED...It's just your opinion

you're stereo-typing sections of the support to justify this all or nothing pro Martinez stance corner you've painted yourself into.

Yes there are people who have seen nothing but Smith and Moyes, demographically there's bound to be.
Not that I claim any kudos in that direction of your condescending 'Football Education' slur but there are a vast majority out there could buy and sell you Re. football education and Knowledge.

 

[Titus Bramble]

Tactical discipline, managed at several of Europes top clubs. Did not 'fail' at Spurs until Bale was sold from under him - in stark contrast to the Catalan who has had the board defend him from all comers for his best players - Baines, Coleman , McCarthy , mirallas, stones to name but 5.

Has won 2 league titles in credible European leagues. Not taken any team to a lower than top 6 finish in his countries top league. Martinez has only managed at Wigan and after several attempts finally got them relegated.

Most of all it's the tactical discipline that AVB will bring in that destroys the credibility of Martinez as a manager.

I'd suggest that the boards he has worked for have tried to protect his squads as much as possible as they are aware that stability and continuity is the best way for them to achieve any success. Something that AVB has never shown in management, out of the 5 clubs he has managed, the only one where he has lasted more than 1 year is his current club but he has already announced he will be leaving at the end of this season. Everton as a club cannot afford to change our management setup and spend money on the players the new manager will want if he's only going to stay 1 or 2 seasons, an argument I was making recently to someone who had suggested Koeman as a replacement.

OK, he's won titles. One at Porto, who have won the league 7 seasons in the last 10 and Zenit who have won their league 4 seasons in the last 8. Fair enough, a league win is a league win, but it's hardly an unexpected achievement from an underdog, like Wigan winning the FA cup for example.

You will have to explain to me what tactical discipline is, I don't know what that means.