Quantity Vs Quality?

[bluebastardo]

long winded response there bb but quite good
for me we need cover at lb a quality striker and a quality right winger
we obviously can't afford to buy these so we go for aurelio on a freebie
bentley on loan or pennant? that leaves us with needing a quality striker chamakh may be good enough right age and alot of experience but can't see him coming as he'll want european football keane on loan may be an option but i would like us to make a 8mill bid for jerome from birmingham feel he has alot to offer

I'd have gladly taken Jermaine Pennant last year if that's who you mean, but he signed a 3 year deal for 80 grand per week at the low tax rate, and has gone on record saying he doesn't want to leave the money, I mean Zaragoza sorry, even if they are struggling.
Jermaine Pennant's switch to Real Zaragoza earns him '£80,000 a week' | Football | The Guardian

 

[ToxtethBlue]

We will have to sell to raise money for the players, that's spot on really. I'd still say Yobo would be the best option, not that I'd be for it, but you've got to do something to get by.

I have a feeling it'll be someone like Pienaar or Rodwell though, sadly.

 

[devonblue]

We will have to sell to raise money for the players, that's spot on really. I'd still say Yobo would be the best option, not that I'd be for it, but you've got to do something to get by.

I have a feeling it'll be someone like Pienaar or Rodwell though, sadly.

this has been discussed elsewhere but we should be selling some of the fringe players like anichebe, ruddy, turner, lucas j,and i wouldn't be upset if osman and hibbo went either despite being good servants to the club.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

this has been discussed elsewhere but we should be selling some of the fringe players like anichebe, ruddy, turner, lucas j,and i wouldn't be upset if osman and hibbo went either despite being good servants to the club.

It's not realistic, nor would we raise much money from those players mentioned.

 

[devonblue]

It's not realistic, nor would we raise much money from those players mentioned.

would raise 10-15mill for fringe players this could be spent on 1 quality player plus would reduce wage bill.
for me ossie would fetch 6-8mill
hibbert 3mill
vic 3mill
the rest would be nominal
can;t see us selling yobo until the summer

 

[MOXEY1878]

Just having a bit of a think to myself on transfers. Anyone else notice that the summers where we tend to have a bit of money to spend and bring a lot of players - the following season we tend to finish poorer.

This year we have added:

Mustafi
Peterlan
Garbutt
Annoux
Distin
Heitinga
Billy
Neil​

Largely brought about by the Lescott cash​

It seems very similar to 05/06 were we finished 11th after spending the Rooney cash and bringing in:​

Ruddy
Davies
Kroldrup
Neville
Arteta
Ferrari
Valente
Van der Meyde​

I suppose my point boils down to with a limited budget, is it better useing the entire buget on one or two quality players for example: Baines, Yak 07/08 and Fellaini 08/09 or padding out the squad in terms of numbers?​

So one maybe two players of quality vs quantity.​

Can't see us buying any players at the minute maybe a couple of loans and that will be about it!!! Save the money for the summer. See how we finish the season

 

[ToxtethBlue]

would raise 10-15mill for fringe players this could be spent on 1 quality player plus would reduce wage bill.
for me ossie would fetch 6-8mill
hibbert 3mill
vic 3mill
the rest would be nominal
can;t see us selling yobo until the summer

Moyes wouldn't sell Osman and Hibbert, it just wouldn't happen. He's said there part of the 'brickwork' here.

Victor possibly, but he's just returning from a serious injury. He's got to prove he can get back to a certain level. And the likes of Jutkiewicz, Ruddy and Turner would barely raise us 1 million.

 

[devonblue]

Moyes wouldn't sell Osman and Hibbert, it just wouldn't happen. He's said there part of the 'brickwork' here.

Victor possibly, but he's just returning from a serious injury. He's got to prove he can get back to a certain level. And the likes of Jutkiewicz, Ruddy and Turner would barely raise us 1 million.

no room for sentiment in football if we want to improve we need better players and we need a manager who is willing to make tough decisions.

 

[bluebastardo]

no room for sentiment in football if we want to improve we need better players and we need a manager who is willing to make tough decisions.

This I agree with on it's own merits.

 

[Robert Jarvis]

Excelent analysis BB especially the point of our pensioners (over 30s).

 

[monty]

no room for sentiment in football if we want to improve we need better players and we need a manager who is willing to make tough decisions.

So are you saying that because Moyes doesn't agree with you he should go because he is sentimental? All managers make decisions, its a part of the job if you are not happy with DM's efforts so far start a Moyes out thread and state your reasons, if his decisions don't pay off he loses his job, you don't. I certainly don't agree with everything he does but I don't see the players train, I'm not party to what his long term intentions are but he does make the 'tough decisions' on a daily basis and I doubt very much whether sentiment plays any part in them

 

[AdamTheGreatOneB]

So are you saying that because Moyes doesn't agree with you he should go because he is sentimental? All managers make decisions, its a part of the job if you are not happy with DM's efforts so far start a Moyes out thread and state your reasons, if his decisions don't pay off he loses his job, you don't. I certainly don't agree with everything he does but I don't see the players train, I'm not party to what his long term intentions are but he does make the 'tough decisions' on a daily basis and I doubt very much whether sentiment plays any part in them

Nicely said monty.

 

[bluebastardo]

So are you saying that because Moyes doesn't agree with you he should go because he is sentimental? All managers make decisions, its a part of the job if you are not happy with DM's efforts so far start a Moyes out thread and state your reasons, if his decisions don't pay off he loses his job, you don't. I certainly don't agree with everything he does but I don't see the players train, I'm not party to what his long term intentions are but he does make the 'tough decisions' on a daily basis and I doubt very much whether sentiment plays any part in them

I didn't really read into Devons comment that way to be fair, and he doesn't state that Moyes is guilty of that either in his comment.
I read into it as that was what we needed of managers, and I think we would all agree that.

If it was indeed an acusation regarding Moyes, then obviously it isn't a fair reflection based on his performances so far.

What Moyes does or doesn't do in the next transfer windows remains to be seen I guess, but I'm sure he is strong enough to make a tough call if the need arose.

Van Der Meyde found that out to his detriment, and both Yakubu and Jo have recently risked the wrath of Moyes only to escape by the skin of their teeth with their respective Everton careers.

Moyes will sit down with Kenwright every year when they do the books, and no doubt will discuss the financial requirements of the club, including wages and if players are worth keeping.

What is key for fans to remember is that players have a contract, and unless another team requests the services of a player, we can't really get them off our books untill the contract runs out.
Clubs that take our players on loan, might not necessarily want to buy them permanently, and even if another club comes in for them, we can't force the issue if the player wants to stay with us.

Heavy penalties regarding player compensation are another subject to keep in mind.

All we can do is speak to the players, and see how they feel.

 

[Neiler]

So are you saying that because Moyes doesn't agree with you he should go because he is sentimental? All managers make decisions, its a part of the job if you are not happy with DM's efforts so far start a Moyes out thread and state your reasons, if his decisions don't pay off he loses his job, you don't. I certainly don't agree with everything he does but I don't see the players train, I'm not party to what his long term intentions are but he does make the 'tough decisions' on a daily basis and I doubt very much whether sentiment plays any part in them

Good psots by BB and Monty here - in terms of our older players well its a vicious circle isnt it once there sold they need to be replaced. Expierence is important you only have to look at how Fergie usues and treats the like of Neville, Scholes and Giggs at Utd.

The approach of bringing our own players through will in the long run save us money is transfer fees.

I have to say though, i think its time to start adding additional quality players - we have spent a lot of years putting this squad together, we had a core of a good 30 olayers to use in the first team squad this year almost all Moyes brought to the club. I think now what it needs is a sprinkling of something just a little extra to get us over the line of the CL. I really dont think we need that much.

 

[faddy the blue]

I didn't really read into Devons comment that way to be fair, and he doesn't state that Moyes is guilty of that either in his comment.
I read into it as that was what we needed of managers, and I think we would all agree that.

If it was indeed an acusation regarding Moyes, then obviously it isn't a fair reflection based on his performances so far.

What Moyes does or doesn't do in the next transfer windows remains to be seen I guess, but I'm sure he is strong enough to make a tough call if the need arose.

Van Der Meyde found that out to his detriment, and both Yakubu and Jo have recently risked the wrath of Moyes only to escape by the skin of their teeth with their respective Everton careers.

Moyes will sit down with Kenwright every year when they do the books, and no doubt will discuss the financial requirements of the club, including wages and if players are worth keeping.

What is key for fans to remember is that players have a contract, and unless another team requests the services of a player, we can't really get them off our books untill the contract runs out.
Clubs that take our players on loan, might not necessarily want to buy them permanently, and even if another club comes in for them, we can't force the issue if the player wants to stay with us.

Heavy penalties regarding player compensation are another subject to keep in mind.

All we can do is speak to the players, and see how they feel.

This.

i have never heard that Moyesy had a bust up with someone,not even a rumour. Even when Shandy was here I was expecting some wrestling at training and when I thought that the case had gone way too far he managed it very well. Even there's a rumour that Vidic had a bust up with SAF of all people.

Pavlyuchenko blasted Harry Redknapp for making him sit on the subs bench. I have never heard such a case,not even close happening here. AJ had a problem that he wanted to start(that's very professional) and fighting for 1 place when 5 players are there is hard and respectfully went to Fulham. No problems again.

Moyesy is ace, hand off him