Quantity Vs Quality?

[best little spaniard]

All opinions.
How many times have our other players played at right back for Everton? So what you're doing is presuming are you not? If they were better, why haven't they been played in that pposition more often by Moyes, himself a defender?

As a defender, Hibbert easily rivals any in that list m8, but being a good defender these days, isn't apparently enough to justify being a defender. :blink:

Yes he might rival anyone on that list at defending, but that isn't enough in Modern football. You need to be able to attack well, or have a bloody good right winger in front of you. Hibbert has neither.

 

[bluebastardo]

Yes he might rival anyone on that list at defending, but that isn't enough in Modern football. You need to be able to attack well, or have a bloody good right winger in front of you. Hibbert has neither.

So we should maybe judge him more once we get a winger, which he has been denied for most of his Everton career?

 

[best little spaniard]

Can I also add that as none of you watch the other defenders in the league every week, then it's a case of 'is the grass greener' for 99% of you.
Hibbert has faults, but they all do. Is he the future? No. Is he doing a good job? Yes, and going forward isn't the be all and end all of defenders.

No it's not, but he needs to be able to do it to a reasonable degree, which he cant do.

He's just no good at interplay with other players, even if he can throw in a decent cross every now and then. I have defended Hibbert in the past, but if he cant even pass and move, then theres no hope for him.

 

[devonblue]

Actually I think you jump on the Hibbert bandwagon like the rest m8.
On what evidence?

heitinga,neville and neill all being international rb's
don't get me wrong i like hibbo but he's not good enough for a top 6 team which is what i wish everton to be

 

[ToxtethBlue]

You have to look at his all round package as a defender.

Why does he seem to be incapable of defending against anyone who isn't a natural left footed winger? He's great against the likes of Downing, Riera and Petrov, players who hit the ball down the line and try and beat him one on one.

But against wingers with a bit about them, players who can go both ways and have a bit of unpredictability about them, he struggles. He isn't the solid defender people make him out to be, he's a specialist, and is suited to certain games against certain players. I'll give him that, if we are playing teams with these players in then I have no problem with Hibbert playing.

But against players like Young, Robinho and Malouda he really was a liability. Someone mentioned it the other day on another forum, but have you not noticed the way Rooney plays against us when we play Manchester Utd? He always drifts out to that left handside and causes Hibbert all sorts of problems, it's like they are targeting him.

And my main gripe with Hibbert is he doesn't have the attacking game to make us for his all round defensive qualities. He offers nothing going forward, lets be honest, and the odd decent attacking game here and there doesn't change the fact that's he's been woeful going forward ever since he came through.

He's a limited footballer (Championship standard, if that), he doesn't try anything different because he knows he'll get stick. And that annoys me, I'd rather see him try something every now and then. Is it really that hard to hit the ball infront of someone and try and outpace them? Even if he fails, I can see the effort he's making to try and be more of a threat going forward. I'd much rather see that than a sideways pass, passing on responsibility.

Sorry for the long post Bluebastardo, but that's how I feel. I see Hibbert as an asset in some games but in the majority we need someone with more about them, or we need him to add more qualities to his game. Something at 28, I don't think he's capable of.

 

[best little spaniard]

So we should maybe judge him more once we get a winger, which he has been denied for most of his Everton career?

Is that going to happen though?

Hardly anyone has a proper winger playing in front of them, who'll bomb on by themselves and individually beat 3 men before delivering a perfect cross.

He has to be able to interplay well with the rest of the team, which he seems incapable of doing.

 

[bluebastardo]

You have to look at his all round package as a defender.

Why does he seem to be incapable of defending against anyone who isn't a natural left footed winger? He's great against the likes of Downing, Riera and Petrov, players who hit the ball down the line and try and beat him one on one.

But against wingers with a bit about them, players who can go both ways and have a bit of unpredictability about them, he struggles. He isn't the solid defender people make him out to be, he's a specialist, and is suited to certain games against certain players. I'll give him that, if we are playing teams with these players in then I have no problem with Hibbert playing.

But against players like Young, Robinho and Malouda he really was a liability. Someone mentioned it the other day on another forum, but have you not noticed the way Rooney plays against us when we play Manchester Utd? He always drifts out to that left handside and causes Hibbert all sorts of problems, it's like they are targeting him.

And my main gripe with Hibbert is he doesn't have the attacking game to make us for his all round defensive qualities. He offers nothing going forward, lets be honest, and the odd decent attacking game here and there doesn't change the fact that's he's been woeful going forward ever since he came through.

He's a limited footballer (Championship standard, if that), he doesn't try anything different because he knows he'll get stick. And that annoys me, I'd rather see him try something every now and then. Is it really that hard to hit the ball infront of someone and try and outpace them? Even if he fails, I can see the effort he's making to try and be more of a threat going forward. I'd much rather see that than a sideways pass, passing on responsibility.

Sorry for the long post Bluebastardo, but that's how I feel. I see Hibbert as an asset in some games but in the majority we need someone with more about them, or we need him to add more qualities to his game. Something at 28, I don't think he's capable of.

I welcome long posts m8 when people take the time to offer honest opinion supported by an attempt to clarify it.

 

[devonblue]

think hibbo improved when partnered with pienaar last week

 

[monty]

im not doubting they are good squad players but my point was sometimes sentiment gets in the way and players hang around too long
hibbo will never be a top class rb and we have 6 others that can play that position so he could be sold
as for osman i like him but there was talk of an 8mill hull bid during the summer don't know if there is any truth in that but if there was then moyes should snap their hand off

It seems you agree with me, yes they are good squad members, any talk of us selling players, any player at all, is merely that, until a formal offer is made by a prospective purchaser it means nothing be it Hibbo, Saha or Mikel Arteta. It seems to me that you have more of a downer on Hibbo, make no mistake he is not the best player in the world but he puts in a shift, he grafts for our club and the manager, who after all is the man who matters, likes him for a reason.

When it comes to snapping hands off, never sell before you are sure you don't really need a player and then get as much as you can, Mr Lescott is a prime example

 

[Neiler]

You have to look at his all round package as a defender.

Why does he seem to be incapable of defending against anyone who isn't a natural left footed winger? He's great against the likes of Downing, Riera and Petrov, players who hit the ball down the line and try and beat him one on one.

But against wingers with a bit about them, players who can go both ways and have a bit of unpredictability about them, he struggles. He isn't the solid defender people make him out to be, he's a specialist, and is suited to certain games against certain players. I'll give him that, if we are playing teams with these players in then I have no problem with Hibbert playing.

But against players like Young, Robinho and Malouda he really was a liability. Someone mentioned it the other day on another forum, but have you not noticed the way Rooney plays against us when we play Manchester Utd? He always drifts out to that left handside and causes Hibbert all sorts of problems, it's like they are targeting him.

And my main gripe with Hibbert is he doesn't have the attacking game to make us for his all round defensive qualities. He offers nothing going forward, lets be honest, and the odd decent attacking game here and there doesn't change the fact that's he's been woeful going forward ever since he came through.

He's a limited footballer (Championship standard, if that), he doesn't try anything different because he knows he'll get stick. And that annoys me, I'd rather see him try something every now and then. Is it really that hard to hit the ball infront of someone and try and outpace them? Even if he fails, I can see the effort he's making to try and be more of a threat going forward. I'd much rather see that than a sideways pass, passing on responsibility.

Sorry for the long post Bluebastardo, but that's how I feel. I see Hibbert as an asset in some games but in the majority we need someone with more about them, or we need him to add more qualities to his game. Something at 28, I don't think he's capable of.

Always had a great game against Ronaldo to be fair.

 

[Hayee]

Can I also add that as none of you watch the other defenders in the league every week, then it's a case of 'is the grass greener' for 99% of you.
Hibbert has faults, but they all do. Is he the future? No. Is he doing a good job? Yes, and going forward isn't the be all and end all of defenders.

thankyou, this is the point i've been trying to make for months

 

[Neiler]

thankyou, this is the point i've been trying to make for months

Id have him over Wayne Bridge to be fair and hes in the England squad.

 

[bluebastardo]

thankyou, this is the point i've been trying to make for months

When you're older, you can send my fee.

 

[devonblue]

Id have him over Wayne Bridge to be fair and hes in the England squad.

bridge is a left back:blink:

 

[Neiler]

bridge is a left back:blink:

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