Pochettino sacked

[mahermi1]

We've been shown how to conduct a managerial change by Spurs.

I suspect that it wasn't sorted at the start of the window because of some wrangling between Jose and Spurs, but once it was sorted, Poch out and Jose in with a minimum of fuss and sentimentality.

If there's a better manager out there and you aren't happy with your current one, then get it done.

Not having a go Yargh, but didn't Watford do the same.............................
........................ Again and again.......and again. And so on

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Not having a go Yargh, but didn't Watford do the same.............................
........................ Again and again.......and again. And so on

Yeah but they do it with crap managers TBF. I doubt they'd be sacking managers like they do if they'd had options like Pochettino and Mourinho.

 

[larbert toffee]

You seem very worried about us and our future.

We have had the rainbows and unicorns and it got us top 4 and all we have heard from opposition fans is 'but you haven't won anything'.

We appoint a serial trophy winner and the tune has changed to 'you have appointed a dinosaur'.

The Poch era has been brilliant but I will take some short-termism if we win a couple of trophies have the next two seasons.

At my age, the time for 'the project' is running short.

Genuinely used to love Jose but now think he's a pain in the arse, just think Spurs have made a big mistake, should have got rid of the dressing room troublemakers rather than Pitch, I would swap Silva for him in a heartbeat

 

[Deleted member 38674]

I would swap Silva for him in a heartbeat

Doesn’t say a lot.

Most blues would swap their missus for Poch.

I’d probably swap Silva for Megson. Get Gaz back to Goodison.

 

[TheBigIguana]

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But yeah, Tottenham would of been much better off sticking with Pochettino and the "long term project" and "building for the future" and all the other BS that people try and pretend matters more then actual trophies and real success!

Stripping away the manager and just looking at Porto, Chelsea, Inter, Real Madrid and United vs Spurs, you would absolutely expect Spurs to have the lowest trophy count. That has absolutely no impact on whether this makes sense or will work for them.

 

[paulbefc]

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But yeah, Tottenham would of been much better off sticking with Pochettino and the "long term project" and "building for the future" and all the other BS that people try and pretend matters more then actual trophies and real success!

All that BS that Spurs' CL qualification and annual punching has been based on for years.

It's an amazingly dense point of view that everyone knows generally only goes one way in pretty much any walk of life.

I wish Liverpool had bottled it like this and got Mourinho in. They'd probably have won a couple of domestic trophies short-term (because they generally win trophies), but he'd have ruined everything Klopp's built there within three years and have them back in the Europa. It'd have been ace. But unfortunately they've stuck with the long-term project and are now European (and probably shortly English) champions. And crucially it's not going to all fall to bits next season because destructive short-termism is not a pre-requisite for success, shockingly.

 

[Yarrgh]

Not having a go Yargh, but didn't Watford do the same.............................
........................ Again and again.......and again. And so on

Oh I agree. I'd rather have a long term manager and it be based on regular sustained success. But we are woeful when it comes to well organised changes in manager.

This situation reminds me of what we should've done with Moyes when he got stale.

 

[mahermi1]

Oh I agree. I'd rather have a long term manager and it be based on regular sustained success. But we are woeful when it comes to well organised changes in manager.

This situation reminds me of what we should've done with Moyes when he got stale.

Yes having a little dig at Watford

 

[mahermi1]

Oh I agree. I'd rather have a long term manager and it be based on regular sustained success. But we are woeful when it comes to well organised changes in manager.

This situation reminds me of what we should've done with Moyes when he got stale.

Still think because of no viable plan, was the reason we finished up with Allardyce.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

All that BS that Spurs' CL qualification and annual punching has been based on for years.

It's an amazingly dense point of view that everyone knows generally only goes one way in pretty much any walk of life.

I know its 2019 and people now pretend that finishing in the top four and playing in the champions league actually counts for somthing other then making the club money but it doesn't. They don't count as a trophy and they aren't a substitute for success no matter what sky would have you believe. A manager who has had access to that Spurs side for five years and not won a button is a faliure, a total and utter faliure.

Your entire argument presumes that Mourinho will somehow hurt the progress of Spurs long term. How could he realistically hurt them that much? At worst they'd go from a champions league regular that never wins anything to a Europa league regular that never wins anything but with a few trophies in the cabinet.

I wish Liverpool had bottled it like this and got Mourinho in. They'd probably have won a couple of domestic trophies short-term (because they generally win trophies), but he'd have ruined everything Klopp's built there within three years and have them back in the Europa. It'd have been ace. But unfortunately they've stuck with the long-term project and are now European (and probably shortly English) champions. And crucially it's not going to all fall to bits next season because destructive short-termism is not a pre-requisite for success, shockingly.

Your comparison of the RS to Spurs is ludicrous. In Klopp's first few mouths at the club he help them reach a cup final.

In his first full season he got them back into the champions league.

In his second full season he reached a champions league final.

Year three he won the thing and went to the last day for the league.

Thats actual, real success and progress that people can see. Anyone watching from day one could see the difference Klopp was making to them.

Pochettino has reached two cup finals in five years and has never once been a serious contender for the league title in all that time. He came second twice? Yes in season's when they were never going to win the thing because it was a clear one horse race, firstly againt Leicester then againt Chelsea (that club Mourinho supposedly ruined).

Of course short-termism isn't a prerequisite for success. Nor is blind faith in a long term project under a manager who hasn't won a button in five years with a quality spurs side that was capable of so much more then they have delivered.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Stripping away the manager and just looking at Porto, Chelsea, Inter, Real Madrid and United vs Spurs, you would absolutely expect Spurs to have the lowest trophy count. That has absolutely no impact on whether this makes sense or will work for them.

I used it as an example to the
football snobs who pretend that Mourinho will ruin Spurs rather then do what he's done at every club he's managed. Win trophies amd bring success.

 

[kenada_blue]

Bottom line = Trophies.

If you don't think they mean anything then find another sport or take up knitting

 

[Yarrgh]

Yes having a little dig at Watford

Always a worthwhile pursuit!

 

[Yarrgh]

I know its 2019 and people now pretend that finishing in the top four and playing in the champions league actually counts for somthing other then making the club money but it doesn't. They don't count as a trophy and they aren't a substitute for success no matter what sky would have you believe. A manager who has had access to that Spurs side for five years and not won a button is a faliure, a total and utter faliure.

Your entire argument presumes that Mourinho will somehow hurt the progress of Spurs long term. How could he realistically hurt them that much? At worst they'd go from a champions league regular that never wins anything to a Europa league regular that never wins anything but with a few trophies in the cabinet.

Your comparison of the RS to Spurs is ludicrous. In Klopp's first few mouths at the club he help them reach a cup final.

In his first full season he got them back into the champions league.

In his second full season he reached a champions league final.

Year three he won the thing and went to the last day for the league.

Thats actual, real success and progress that people can see. Anyone watching from day one could see the difference Klopp was making to them.

Pochettino has reached two cup finals in five years and has never once been a serious contender for the league title in all that time. He came second twice? Yes in season's when they were never going to win the thing because it was a clear one horse race, firstly againt Leicester then againt Chelsea (that club Mourinho supposedly ruined).

Of course short-termism isn't a prerequisite for success. Nor is blind faith in a long term project under a manager who hasn't won a button in five years with a quality spurs side that was capable of so much more then they have delivered.

Grrrrr. Nothing to disagree with in all that about the rs. Grrrr.

Off to mock them in the rs thread to regain balance.

 

[efcforever]

Rolled over?. A dodgy pen in the first minute hardly helped. But that's done and dusted.

I imagine that first minute penalty just ruined your game plan in the CL final. Ridiculous decision as well!