Pochettino sacked

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Heavy that Levy was speaking to Mourinho whilst Poch was still employed, he would still be in his job if Mourinho said no.

Imagine if Poch found that out.

....I wouldn’t be surprised if he knew, I wouldn’t be surprised if Pochettino‘s representatives have been in contact with clubs for a while. This appears to be a situation that was waiting to happen, it was just a matter of the timing.
 
If he gets them one trophy he will have left them in a better state than he found them. Regardless if he he leaves the first team in tatters or leaks owners emails exposing him for trafficking and breaks the door on his way out.

That's not true though. They should have been winning trophies with the team they've had the last 4 years. They have been well capable and probably still are. Did they need to sacrifice all long-term thinking for possibly a trophy or two if it could hasten the decline in quality of their squad and ability to compete at the top end of the league, as Jose has proven so adept at doing?

They're Spurs, not United. If this goes south at some point, as it likely will, they can't just spend their way back to the top 4 again. They'll be in little better a situation than ourselves and Leicester have been if their squad has been broken up and the chemistry ruined as we've seen at United.

They're already on the way down and need someone with fresh ideas and a plan to build another squad with great chemistry etc as Pochettino did. Ideally they'd be looking at finding the next Poch, the next Klopp. Mourinho is just likely to set them back years and years once he has his way with them. One thing Mourinho guarantees is a short-term approach to everything, as he has nothing to prove and doesn't really care about the clubs he manages. He doesn't necessarily guarantee success either. There's a bit of an assumption that Spurs have just won the league/CL next season with this appointment because supposedly Mourinho guarantees it. They'd better hope for some kind of success because it'll come at a huge cost in the end.
 
That's not true though. They should have been winning trophies with the team they've had the last 4 years. They have been well capable and probably still are. Did they need to sacrifice all long-term thinking for possibly a trophy or two if it could hasten the decline in quality of their squad and ability to compete at the top end of the league, as Jose has proven so adept at doing?

They're Spurs, not United. If this goes south at some point, as it likely will, they can't just spend their way back to the top 4 again. They'll be in little better a situation than ourselves and Leicester have been if their squad has been broken up and the chemistry ruined as we've seen at United.

They're already on the way down and need someone with fresh ideas and a plan to build another squad with great chemistry etc as Pochettino did. Ideally they'd be looking at finding the next Poch, the next Klopp. Mourinho is just likely to set them back years and years once he has his way with them. One thing Mourinho guarantees is a short-term approach to everything, as he has nothing to prove and doesn't really care about the clubs he manages. He doesn't necessarily guarantee success either. There's a bit of an assumption that Spurs have just won the league/CL next season with this appointment because supposedly Mourinho guarantees it. They'd better hope for some kind of success because it'll come at a huge cost in the end.

You seem very worried about us and our future.

We have had the rainbows and unicorns and it got us top 4 and all we have heard from opposition fans is 'but you haven't won anything'.

We appoint a serial trophy winner and the tune has changed to 'you have appointed a dinosaur'.

The Poch era has been brilliant but I will take some short-termism if we win a couple of trophies have the next two seasons.

At my age, the time for 'the project' is running short.
 
You seem very worried about us and our future.

We have had the rainbows and unicorns and it got us top 4 and all we have heard from opposition fans is 'but you haven't won anything'.

We appoint a serial trophy winner and the tune has changed to 'you have appointed a dinosaur'.

The Poch era has been brilliant but I will take some short-termism if we win a couple of trophies have the next two seasons.

At my age, the time for 'the project' is running short.
He will win a domestic cup for you, no doubt about that.

But the other side of the coin is the awful dour dinosaur football and watching your club fall apart at the seams when Mourinho starts his antics.
 
If he gets them one trophy he will have left them in a better state than he found them. Regardless if he he leaves the first team in tatters or leaks owners emails exposing him for trafficking and breaks the door on his way out.
Not if they are not in the Champions League.

Poch getting Spurs in the CL in the final four of his five seasons has given them a huge platform to build on. What he's done shouldn’t be underestimated just because there was no silverware. Only three years before he took over they had qualified for the CL (first time in EC in 40 years), and Harry Redknapp was lauded. Poch achieved this four times on the trot, and got them to the final in one of those campaigns. The way it has ended has possibly took the gloss off it slightly, but he must go down as their best manager since Bill Nicholson in the early 1960s. He put Spurs back among the big boys (the reason Mourinho would take on Spurs is partly down to him).
 
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But yeah, Tottenham would of been much better off sticking with Pochettino and the "long term project" and "building for the future" and all the other BS that people try and pretend matters more then actual trophies and real success!
 
You seem very worried about us and our future.

We have had the rainbows and unicorns and it got us top 4 and all we have heard from opposition fans is 'but you haven't won anything'.

We appoint a serial trophy winner and the tune has changed to 'you have appointed a dinosaur'.

The Poch era has been brilliant but I will take some short-termism if we win a couple of trophies have the next two seasons.

At my age, the time for 'the project' is running short.

It's the international break and this is a football forum, so I don't know what you expected, but if that's what you'd prefer to believe then go for it.

I genuinely believe this fella destroys the kind of things that your Pochettinos/Klopps etc build. If you've nothing great there to ruin, then he probably IS a good appointment for the short-term. That's why he'd be more appropriate for Everton. We have money to waste, we're as desperate to win anything as you are and it'd be pretty difficult for us to fall much further. Spurs have far more to lose currently and Mourinho's approach is exactly the kind that would throw it all away.

I agree with Carragher in that Spurs haven't been in the top 4 because they necessarily belong there. They've been there because they've been getting so much right off the field.

In this day and age "the project" is the way to go. You have to have the patience to stick with it until the trophies eventually come, if of course it's major trophies you want to win - see Liverpool under Klopp. Mourinho's time at United proved he is well on his way to becoming a relic of a bygone era and I think Spurs have bottled it a bit with this appointment.

If you win the league next year then all of the above doesn't really matter. But that'd be the kind of spectacular achievement Mourinho hasn't pulled off in a very long time.
 
We've been shown how to conduct a managerial change by Spurs.

I suspect that it wasn't sorted at the start of the window because of some wrangling between Jose and Spurs, but once it was sorted, Poch out and Jose in with a minimum of fuss and sentimentality.

If there's a better manager out there and you aren't happy with your current one, then get it done.
 
We've been shown how to conduct a managerial change by Spurs.

I suspect that it wasn't sorted at the start of the window because of some wrangling between Jose and Spurs, but once it was sorted, Poch out and Jose in with a minimum of fuss and sentimentality.

If there's a better manager out there and you aren't happy with your current one, then get it done.
Similar way they did it across the park did it, they got rid of Rodgers hours after the Derby and installed a manager days later during the first international break of the season.

Sometimes Chairman/Board have to be ruthless to stop a rut infesting the club.
 
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But yeah, Tottenham would of been much better off sticking with Pochettino and the "long term project" and "building for the future" and all the other BS that people try and pretend matters more then actual trophies and real success!

Exactly.

Surely when you are building for the future it is so you will eventually win something?. How long do you build for for future with no end result before you change it?
 
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