Players salaries

[PhilM]

While I do actually think the tax argument is a fair and just one, I doubt that the PFA's position is truly being underpinned by this argument alone.

In the long term, I suspect the PFA are quite worried how the pandemic will impact on the finances of football as a whole, which will impact on their clients.

 

[Blueclouds]

I'm confused about this. Players saying they dont want the clubs to gain from their wage cut but wont clubs be losing out on money with this as well. 20% will cover the non playing staff or are the players saying why should we pay when the club should. Everton will lose millions over this. The players have to take the hit as well not demanding where their money should go.

 

[Bluebonic]

I think the saddest part of this is the utter lack of ownership displayed by players all over the world. They spend their careers allowing their ass-wipe agents to bleed anyone and anything dry to build up wait her others bank accounts, so if a choice proves contentious they can discharge all responsibility be claiming “my agent deals with that stuff”. Now, when they could each make a gesture based on their own personal wealth (as Messi, Conor McGregor and many more have done) they choose to hide behind the PFA. It is THEIR money, their pay deal, they can choose to do whatever they wish, but no, they revert back to their position of non- accountability! Shame on each and every one of them!

 

[Stan Lee Park]

While I do actually think the tax argument is a fair and just one, I doubt that the PFA's position is truly being underpinned by this argument alone.

In the long term, I suspect the PFA are quite worried how the pandemic will impact on the finances of football as a whole, which will impact on their clients.

Protecting their millionaire clients and blaming the government; accusing the clubs of not paying enough to the NHS while blocking their members from any reduction in salary with a ridiculous excuse of reducing tax revenue. Unbelievable.
Mind you, the PFA are led by one of the most corrupt men in football.

 

[degsy]

On reflection I was a bit knee jerk on this...these things are never as simple as they seem at first glance.
But.
Surely out of 20 clubs sky, BT, somebody had enough PR savvy to spot this wages paradox early doors.
Then again I'm all right jack is deffo a thing.
Hopefully somebody will quickly come up with a plan that meaningfully targets their belated donations, so the FSGs and skys of this world don't profit.

 

[Tel001]

Clubs are frightened to cut salaries as they fear their players will leave
We should cut most of ours by 90% to encourage them to leave

agreed ... 30% wage cuts fortye majority of the squad with bolasie , Morgan, sandro, tuson, niasse all getting 90% cuts

 

[Tel001]

Not sure on our finances but using the reported sours figures. 550 non playing staff let go or being stood down. At 25,000 annual salary let’s say on average is 13,750,000 per year. 25 man squad? That’s 550k per player. That’s to pay everyone 100% of wages for an entire year. They could adjust it to a % of salary to be fair to the players that aren’t earning the same as Kane etc and could even spread it out over the length of contract. This would mean they wouldn’t be taking a 30% cut and everyone else gets their wages and doesn’t have to draw from the government , who can use it for other people effected and NHS etc. this would keep the club staff looked after, help the government , help reduce the loss in tax that a 30% cut mean, make the players look like they give a toss and above all it’s the human thing and moral thing to do. Then the gieverment can leave the players alone and do what they should be doing and chase banks , billionaires and corporations for money.

 

[orly]

I just think that, if that leaked Carlos Tevez pay slip was real, he was paying £3m+ a season in tax and NI contributions, that's quite a bit already tbh

Are we asking the FTSE (rather than just footy) CEOs to take a 30% cut? Many of those will be on £ms+ a year.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

I have friends in less (as an understatement) well paid industries who are taking 15-20% pay cuts. This is because they work for companies who may go to the wall without doing so. It's a longer term view - no pay cut, no job long term. Less tax paid long term. If clubs really are likely to go under then it is a sensible thing to do short term.

The argument about less tax going to the NHS is an intersting one. Directly or indirectly the country's finances and tax take will take a hammering. Will some of money paid to businesses as part of the furlough scheme be paid back in tax? Genuinely curious as the detail I've seen is scant. If not then the overall tax take is down. Again, it's the long view - perhaps better to preserve and ensure a long term economic future with tax returns. So yeah, it is a point, but is it a good one by the PFA?

Thoughts?

 

[Tel001]

Direct your anger at the people that deserve it mate.

You have fallen for Hancocks lies.

Football players arent the enemy here, the enemy is the Tories who have underfunded the NHS for 10 years and the billionaire owners who are stealing money from the taxpayers.

Everton are managing to pay their staff without government aid, why cant the other 19 clubs in the league?

As frustrating, blood pressure raising , tv smashing , and heartbreaking as following Everton is. We are truelyGREAT at the off field stuff and always have been imo.tye things we do or in this case don’t do (not paying staff) shouldn’t even be noticed by us as it’s the rightand moral thing to do, but watching “great” and “ big” clubs behaviour really highlights how human our club is. Everton has always done the right thing on and off the pitch , sometimes to a fault but nobody can say Everton fc does not care about normal people imo

 

[blueblue]

Each sector of society needs to look at how it has responded to this crisis and not try to shift blame onto somewhere else.

The response of the football community in general has been truly awful.
Clubs putting their non playing staff on Furlough, people earning regular salaries suffering while the footballers earning incredible amounts per week are untouched.
Footballers and the GPA have squandered the opportunity to act as leaders , leaders showing generosity in helping out those less privileged.
Yes, they contribute by paying taxes, but so does everybody else in line with their earnings.
I believe there will be so much disappointment and disenchantment with footballers and with football when this crisis is over.
Footballers look for sympathy and understanding when they appear on the newspapers for doing something stupid but they then portray themselves as being greedy and isolated at a time like this.

I applaud clubs that have retained their non playing staff, I understand and agree that players do not want to see the wages they forego simply being taken back into the club to bolster their profits but the GPA could have come out weeks ago to say they would work with the FA and the League to find a way for players wages to be reduced and channelled into specific areas. The least that would have done is possibly preventing the five clubs from putting their employees into furlough.

How the government is dealing with the crisis is a different issue, football needs to look at it self and consider if it could do more, if it could offer more leadership to society, a society that pays them very well.

 

[ParisToffee]

The big issue here is how a Minister of the British Government pinpointed and set Premier League footballers up as a target due to their salaries ;-( The clubs who furlonged their non playing staff were the ones doing wrong not the players as no one knows at ground roots levels what or who they donate to :-( The NHS does great work but its not the responsibility of a football player to pay for it , its the Government of Britian to pay for it through its tax system etc ! I live in France and the french government have'nt come out demanding Neymar to pay for their health system as its not his responsibility :-(

Everton thankfully are paying their non playing staff their wages and DBB has said they will be paid again when the matches take place if rescheduled Players like Coleman, Mina and Richarlison have donated money and its been announced but we don't know who else may have done secretly as lots of people donate privately ;-)

How come Hancock has'nt demanded singers/groups who cancelled gigs in UK to pay for the staff at the venues that were closed due to them not playing?

The UK government saying everyone has to unite and be together but threw the footballers under the bus showing great unity ;-) Whether you agree or not with whether the players need to pay for others wages or for the NHS judge the players and if their not doing what you thinkthey should do unfollow them on whatever social media they have it, don't buy their jersey or whatever but its not just them who are'nt 'paying' for this pandemic! The big issue was how certain clubs manipulated a system given by the UK government, supposedly to help business, for their benefit ;-( Questions should be asked at the Finance Department of the UK government how what they said was to help small/medium business' is being used by Premier League clubs with serious revenues

 

[Connor]

Again, as has been pointed out, Premier League footballers pay a substantial amount in Tax and National Insurance – even a Championship player pays a hell of a lot.

Should they be chipping into a relief fund? Yes, and the captains are doing so for the NHS. But, the fact is, they've been singled out by a Tory minister when him and his cronies are hoovering up chances to benefit from this. I don't care who you are, or what you earn in any bubble, you're going to stand up against that and say we'll do it on our own terms.

The PFA statement said as much.

They'll pay up, once there are guarantees that the money goes to the NHS, lower leagues, and other needy causes. Not helping owners save a few quid in the process like our neighbors across the park have done so.

 

[windymiller]

This whole argument has been hijacked by extreme positions on both sides.

In my view, the truly outrageous events regarding the actions of football clubs is the furloughing of low paid staff and the exploitation of what is, in effect, a taxpayer bailout whilst continuing to pay the majority of their payroll to a small handful of very well compensated individuals.

If an organisation is able to pay it's staff it should continue to do so, if it can't then fair enough use the emergency bailout. I don't see how anyone can argue that it is ethical to pick and choose which employees can be paid a restricted wage or that well funded organisations can draw a government subsidy whilst continuing to pay enormous sums to other employees.

Yes, this is true of organisations outside of football as well but this is a football forum. Football is not responsible for the direct funding if the NHS but neither should it be a drain on public resources.

As of yet, Everton are behaving responsibly, if not especially altruistically, but this may change as we have seen with other clubs.

 

[Dymak]

Wayne Rooney writing in the Sunday Times that the government are a disgrace, and how his feelings have been hurt because he thinks footballers have been made a scapegoat for failing to accept any pay cut whilst their lower paid colleagues working in the same business as them are forced to do so. The same Wayne Rooney that was pursued by HMRC for six million pounds in tax evasion:

Wayne Rooney 'faces £6million bill' after tax avoidance scheme folds

The DC United star and former Everton player sheltered about £12.5million with Invicta 43, which used Rooney's cash, along with funds from 224 other investors, to buy the rights to films.

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