Players salaries

[Thetigerblue]

Let me answer each of your points in turn (I may have been watching too many coronavirus press conferences)
1. Believe me, my anger is certainly directed at the government underfunding of the NHS. Doesn't mean that I'm not angry about greedy uncaring footballers as well.
2. My views have nothing to do with Matt Hancock and I find it insulting that you think I am influenced in any way by him - that's a cheap, patronising shot.

3. Footballers may not be the enemy but they ARE greedy and uncaring.

4. Totally agree on this one. Liverpool have joined the list of clubs with our money. If Everton join that list, then my anger would be directed at them too.

They’re not greedy and uncaring. They’re just human.
Singling out young men, some of whom aren’t even called Raheem, sounds perverse when compared to the mass of the country pretty much everyone behaves this way. I think footballers at PL level are probably more exposed to deprivation and people less fortunate than themselves than most people in their jobs.

However, I’ll ask this. Look at the wealthiest people, the wealthiest companies in this country.
Tell us how many footballers make the top 100. Or 1000 even.
Then tell us how much tax they pay.
Then explain why singling out a group of people who actually are rewarded for their labour rather than, say, giving the money to club owners or media bosses is wrong.

And if anyone says yes they should all pay more too, then why didn’t they put those names first.... I think we can guess the answers.

 

[Stan Lee Park]

I dont think players are greedy or uncaring tho, some of them are, but most of them just want what we all want, a fair wage for a fair days work, they just happen to work in an industry that pays unreal wages.

With respect I do think Hancocks words have had an effect, the fact that you think their wages have anything to do with the NHS for 1.

Somebody made a great point on twitter tho, Macdonalds staff are currently all furloughed by the government, nobody is having a pop at them, thats Macdonalds with revenue of 21 billion last year, but yet lets all take footballers who earn a few million a year to task.

Why arent Macdonalds funding the NHS? Why arent they even paying any tax? (They may well pay tax)




Im sure if asked most would do their bit, but all Hancocks comments have done is get the players backs up.

PL players are greedy and uncaring, otherwise they wouldn't be blocking a proposal for a 30% wage cut.
Matt Hancock's statement has had no impact on me whatsoever. I am quite capable of seeing for myself that they are greedy and uncaring.
This is a football forum - I agree that wealthy companies shouldn't be allowed to take advantage of the government's rescue scheme. If you want to broaden the discussion beyond football this could be a very long night.

 

[Connor]

 

[Stan Lee Park]

They’re not greedy and uncaring. They’re just human.
Singling out young men, some of whom aren’t even called Raheem, sounds perverse when compared to the mass of the country pretty much everyone behaves this way. I think footballers at PL level are probably more exposed to deprivation and people less fortunate than themselves than most people in their jobs.

However, I’ll ask this. Look at the wealthiest people, the wealthiest companies in this country.
Tell us how many footballers make the top 100. Or 1000 even.
Then tell us how much tax they pay.
Then explain why singling out a group of people who actually are rewarded for their labour rather than, say, giving the money to club owners or media bosses is wrong.

And if anyone says yes they should all pay more too, then why didn’t they put those names first.... I think we can guess the answers.

Footballers in the PL are greedy and uncaring. Just because there are greedier and more uncaring people in this world doesn't excuse footballers.

 

[Thetigerblue]

Footballers in the PL are greedy and uncaring. Just because there are greedier and more uncaring people in this world doesn't excuse footballers.

You are talking about them like they’re different from you.

Well ok. So I’m sure you pay all the tax you can and if you earned their money you’d donate it all.

 

[Thetigerblue]

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In this week’s shifting blame game, Matt Hancock has kicked Premier League footballers into touch, says Marina Hyde

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[Thetigerblue]

This country has choices every 4-5 years to show where it’s priorities lie. What it wants.

And although there’s plenty of emotive language, since 2010 it’s shown it wants tax cuts and underfunded health and social services.
That’s the choice of 20+ million people. And that’s where it matters.
I don’t think it’s Richarlison’s fault.

If you’re singling out footballers for this country’s health and social services choices then you’re either a dupe, or can’t do basic maths or you are being actively mendacious. And if so maybe Liverpool FC would better align with your values.

 

[mightymoyes]

So meanwhile, let's deprive the NHS of £500m to make a point to the government.

What are you on about?

 

[ToffeeTim]

Yes I get how it helps the clubs, but how does it help the NHS?

45% goes to the exchequer on the final 30% of their wages.

100% would go to the exchequer if they donated their wages and it went to the right place. (Maybe not as easy as it sounds I'll admit).

But I actually dont really care if they take pay cuts or not. They pay enough tax as it is.

But it grates me to see clubs furlough players and take money away from our health service during an epidemic. Top flight players could give up 10% and cover these wages no problem. Some of these people are losing 20% and that hurts if you're on low income.

In fact clubs looking the government subsidies is far worse than players not agreeing to pay cuts.

 

[Goat]

45% goes to the exchequer on the final 30% of their wages.

100% would go to the exchequer if they donated their wages and it went to the right place. (Maybe not as easy as it sounds I'll admit).

But I actually dont really care if they take pay cuts or not. They pay enough tax as it is.

But it grates me to see clubs furlough players and take money away from our health service during an epidemic. Top flight players could give up 10% and cover this no problem. In fact clubs looking the government subsidies is far worse than players not agreeing to pay cuts.

If your boss owned 2 Ferraris and said he couldnt put petrol in 1 of them this month is it ok if you pay your workmates wages for the month what would you say?

 

[Mcdrewson]

If your boss owned 2 Ferraris and said he couldnt put petrol in 1 of them this month is it ok if you pay your workmates wages for the month what would you say?

Giz a go in your Ferrari

 

[ToffeeTim]

If your boss owned 2 Ferraris and said he couldnt put petrol in 1 of them this month is it ok if you pay your workmates wages for the month what would you say?

It's easy to say when you're not in the scenario, but I'd like to think I'd take a small pay cut if it meant people I worked alongside could keep their jobs. I'm far from rich but I have enough to get me by and others dont.

Football isn't real life though. A 20% or 30% pay cut would definitely effect my life. I could cope and make it work but it wouldn't be ideal.

A 30% pay cut for someone on even 50k or 60k a week doesn't affect their lifestyle. It's not real life. Once you're earning somewhere around the 30k a week mark then no amount of further income could make your life any better. I genuinely believe that. I dont see any benefit of earning say 4m instead of 3m a year. What difference could it possibly make?

But that's a whole different debate....

 

[Goat]

It's easy to say when you're not in the scenario, but I'd like to think I'd take a small pay cut if it meant people I worked alongside could keep their jobs. I'm far from rich but I have enough to get me by and others dont.

Football isn't real life though. A 20% or 30% pay cut would definitely effect my life. I could cope and make it work but it wouldn't be ideal.

A 30% pay cut for someone on even 50k or 60k a week doesn't affect their lifestyle. It's not real life. Once you're earning somewhere around the 30k a week mark then no amount of further income could make your life any better. I genuinely believe that. I dont see any benefit of earning say 4m instead of 3m a year. What difference could it possibly make?

But that's a whole different debate....

The players have never said they wont help, the only issue has been how do they help properly.

They have been painted in a very bad light by a tory rat trying to deflect blame and by horrid club owners whos only interest is their own bottom line.

Premier League players intend to make 'significant financial contributions', says PFA

PFA statement claims proposed 30 per cent wage cut could cost the Exchequer £200m and be detrimental to the NHS

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Sky Sports pundit Gary Neville believes Premier League footballers will want to contribute...

"I do believe that 99 per cent of footballers originate from the streets of Berwick, Bootle, Bolton, Solihull, Dudley - they're not from Hampstead and Knightsbridge - they've got good souls and are good people. They've just done well, they're just lucky enough to be in the one per cent of people who dream of being a footballer and make it.

"I think if you asked those Premier League players, do they want to contribute to the NHS, to the communities, to the challenge the country is facing now, they'd say absolutely they do.

 

[ClausThomsen]

No, they are not. They are being asked to move some of their grossly indecent wages to people who work for the same club. Would you rather have the tax payers do this instead? That would mean that NHS staff - who all pay tax - would be contributing to non-playing staff wages.
I can't tell you how incensed I am about the complete lack of human decency shown by some football clubs, most PL players and especially the PFA for blocking any contribution by some of the best paid people in the country.

AFAIK players are saying that they are more than willing to give up a lot of money but want a clear say in exactly where that money is going. They are saying they don't trust the likes of Mike Ashley or Daniel Levy to do the right thing. They want a solid agreement on where that money goes.

30% of their wages probably more than covers the costs of non-playing staff and leaves a good chunk of change. Given the conduct of some PL club owners and chairmen in recent days do you really think that those owners would ensure that whatever is left over from that 30% goes to good causes?

 

[Goat]

AFAIK players are saying that they are more than willing to give up a lot of money but want a clear say in exactly where that money is going. They are saying they don't trust the likes of Mike Ashley or Daniel Levy to do the right thing. They want a solid agreement on where that money goes.

30% of their wages probably more than covers the costs of non-playing staff and leaves a good chunk of change. Given the conduct of some PL club owners and chairmen in recent days do you really think that those owners would ensure that whatever is left over from that 30% goes to good causes?

Spot on, they dont wanna blindly hand over their money to the rats owning the clubs or for the tory rats to spend on a war somewhere.