Patience

[brucemate]

Is it so wrong to want to see the end of a 32 year drought?

We’ve been cursed though over the past two decades with awful decisions and we were a dreadfully run club.

I feel our loyal match going fans are more than patient for staying loyal through some of the crap they have had to endure.

It is made worse when the new owners do not even turn up to a game and leak info stating future signings will be young players we can develop or players better than we have. That is fine but they also, need to recognise the squad, after years of neglect, was small and lacked cover which in my view it still does.
Last summer we only signed 2 players who were nailed on game starters and one of them was a loan. Still nothing in this window.

Many may disagree but I expected better whilst realising that competing for honours would take time.

That is the reason for my impatience/frustration.

 

[Ed_Winchester]

We come off the back of a very good win away to a team that are still only a couple of points off the top, have a chance of going 7th with a win at home to a team in the lower reaches of the league, and what happens? A good opening few minutes before we get overrun by said team at the wrong end of the league and are only get back into the game in the second half to rescue a point. Instead of jumping to 7th with a home win, we stumbled and staggered our way to 10th. Is it too much to ask for the team to back up one good result away with a solid home win? Don`t think that`s too much to ask for.

I don’t think it’s too much to ask for, but it’s classic 2000’s Everton.

You know, I know it, we all know it.
Successive Everton teams for years have been unable to follow up a good result with another against a perceived lesser team or a team out of form. It’s why we are where we are in the league, and why we don’t progress in the cup competitions.

There has to be a significant mentality shift within the club culture in order to break this cycle. Otherwise we’ll just continually repeat it, with our better players wanting to move on and win trophies.

If you asked me at the start of the season, I’d said 10th is a reasonable position considering all we’ve been through over the last few years. But the club has to go forwards, so target 8th and a good cup run next season, 6th and cup runs/win the next etc.
The frustrating thing is that with the way the league is at present, we could accelerate the plan but the squad depth is nowhere near strong enough to compete with European games added to the schedule at the moment.

 

[Bally1989]

Just seen this interesting post and it made me think.



Do you think we as Evertonians on here are unrealistic in our demands? That we demand crushing exceptionalism from all which stifles breathing space for young humans to develop, gain confidence and perform? Or should we remain steadfast to a Latin motto on which our club was formed a few centuries ago?

I can’t work it out.

I would suggest Mr Left Peg had the wonderful honour of watching Everton during the 80’s he’s seen us good so he’s coming from a position of privilege.

I’m 36 and haven’t seen us do anything of note (can't remember 95).

I have seen clubs with 1/10 of our support win trophies I am confident to say he can shut up.

 

[Furey1878]

An underrated Tame Impala song, often forgotten about as it wasn't in the main track listing of their 2020 album The Slow Rush.

 

[Blast_of_Cannock]

 

[Blast_of_Cannock]

Wow! Actually got a link to work after years of being a bit rubbish with this stuff!

 

[Swartzy]

Patience is indeed important but we've got 3 shots on goal as opposed to Leeds' 4, 0.69 goal expectancy with Leeds finishing with 1.39. All this happening on home turf

Things are looking bleak

xG is the answer to all our problems

 

[Vaughan]

some of the takes on here and twitter after a defeat or dropped points are startling

we have battled relegation for 4 years and now we’re in a european chase and it’s still not enough

yes it is very frustrating, particularly with how poor the home form has been recently, and things could definitely be better, not signing a right back and the poor use of talents like Dibling and Aznou is really frustrating, but we need some perspective

and yes the club is historic and we should be after success, but it won’t happen overnight

we’ll beat Brighton on saturday and we’ll be world beaters again

 

[Neiler]

Isn't all or nothing for me.

In my opinion wining a trophy requires the following:

1) PL a good 8-10 windows of very good recruitment decisions and decent investment matching other contenders - we're no where near that.

2) League Cup & FA Cup - a bit of luck and a competitive team. That possible within 3- 6 windows.

3) Once you are in Europa and Conference is entirely winnable if you go for it.

I can be patient on all of the above as long as the club progresses toward those goals.

What annoys me though is that there is a perfectly good opportunity to get into Europe this season as a realistic goal - that the players nor the club seem to want to acknowledge or be motivated to achieve. We beat Leeds last night and we are 3 points of the CL places never mind Europa or Conference League.

The performance we posted wasn't by a team who had that ambition and i honestly dont even here about it amongst the fan base as a realistic expectation.

We have brilliant opportunity this year to be ambitious and get Europe and i defo dont have the patience others seem to, to just saunter through the season. Im annoyed over last night and also Leeds away, Burnley, Brentford, Sunderland, WHU etc.

So many times this season we have had an opportunity to cement a place in those European places and we've fluffed it and been pulled back into the mid table pack - we should be more ambitious then that IMO, even in the main people aren't talking or acknowledging about it as an opportunity - there is a reigned acceptance to being midtable.

 

[Dymak]

We actually need belief far more than patience. We are just three points behind the RS ffs!

Nobody’s having a cack attack, but don’t be shocked to encounter disappointment when the team plays poorly, and don’t expect too much giddiness over a 10th placed finish if that’s where we end up finishing.

We aren’t Real Madrid, but we aren’t Stoke either, and it really doesn’t take 15 years to move on from celebrating avoiding relegation battles, of which the last proper one was in the 2022 - 2023 season, and it’s now 2026. Next season will be the 2026 - 2027 season.

 

[Axlswhk]

The poll results are startling.

Well it is not. There are other similar polls showing the same 20% who cannot accept anything except winning every game.

My suggestion to them: don’t watch football, no such team exist in the history of football.
Load a game of edited FM and spawn 25 Messi with max stats and enjoy your 100% win rate as a keyboard manager.

MINORITY.

 

[Bedfordblue]

The club has been broken by a succession of bad decisions and bad luck. We were lucky it wasn't relegated and destroyed entirely. We are still here at the top table. It will obviously take time to recover properly.

People complaining now are like those blaming Labour for pot holes and illegal immigration, even though both of those are slowly improving after being caused by 15 or so years of tory neglect, negligence and ineptitude.

It’s Biden’s fault.

 

[Tigger]

You blaming the fans lad?

 

[johnjoeefc]

I think from a long term point of view we have every reason to expect more. We have been underperforming as a club for nearly 40 years.

However from a shorter term perspective I find the vindication of certain players to be detrimental to the club. I think it needs to be remembered sometimes that these players are young lads often in early to mid twenties. They havnt developed the kind of mental skills to cope with the kind of negativity they receive far too regularly from our fanbase.

I'll use Mcneil and Dibling as examples. Mcneil can be effective when his confidence is high, yet the minute in a home game that he loses the ball you can audibly hear the groans and you can see the lad just start playing within himself. By doing that the boo boys are hurting Evertons chances. The same can be said of Dibling. These lads need support and to feel loved. Its no surprise Mcneil has turned up well in away games and so has Dibling.

I mean its natural isnt it, if you feel like the minute you try something and it doesnt work that your own fans will heckle you, your probably going to play within yourself arent you.

 

[f.t.r.s]

Commentary on the goal, we kept the ball.well. passed it well and it ended up in an equaliser....

So.it shows the players are more than capable of keeping possession, building pressure and creating chances....

Which begs the question, why do we consistently gift possession to the opposition by hoofing it up and leaving Barry isolated?