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Joe Biden has been answering questions on the Israel - Palestine situation. He said some interesting things. Here are some of them, and I've put a few comments in bold.

"Let's get something straight: until the region says unequivocally they acknowledge the right of Israel to exist as an independent Jewish state, there will be no peace."

"There is no shift in my commitment to the security of Israel. No shift. Period. What we still need is a two-state solution. It is the only answer."

"I made it clear when I spoke with Palestinian Authority President Abbas: We're going to make sure we are going to provide for security in the West Bank. We renewed the security commitment, as well as the economic commitment to the people in the West Bank."

He said he was committed to putting together a "major package," along with other interested nations, to rebuild in Gaza without allowing Hamas to rebuild its weapons systems.

The US “remains committed to working with the United Nations” in providing humanitarian assistance to Gaza and in reconstruction efforts in the enclave.

“We will do this in full partnership with the Palestinian Authority, not Hamas, the Authority, in a manner that does not permit Hamas to simply restock its military arsenal,”

He's right: Hamas Can have no part in the rebuilding. After 2014 too much money, plus cement and other building materials, went missing, with the UN either unwilling or unable to do anything about it.

"I also indicated to the Israelis that I thought it was very important that they stop this inter-communal fighting in Jerusalem by extremes on both sides. It has to end."

When asked about his conversations with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Biden sidestepped the question, saying that "one of the reasons why we were able to get the ceasefire in 11 days is we didn't do what other people have done. I don't talk about what I tell people in private. I don't talk about what we negotiate in private," adding that the 2014 conflict between Israel and Gaza, known as operation Protective Edge, lasted 56 days.

"The prime minister knows my views, but the commitment that was given was immediately kept from the very beginning. I told him what our objective was: There needed to be a ceasefire. And he, in fact, kept his commitment in the time frame in which he said he would."

"I'm praying this ceasefire will hold," Biden said, adding that he takes Netanyahu at his word. "He's never broken his word to me. What I've made clear is that it's essential that the Palestinians on the West Bank be secured and that Abbas be recognised as the leader of the Palestinian people – which he is."

This is an attempt to rehabilitate Abbas and the PA. Not sure the US realise how ordinary Palestinians view them! However, Hamas's attempts to portray themselves as the true representatives of the Palestinian people has to be fought against, as it is completely false.

“I also emphasised what I’ve said throughout this conflict: The United States fully supports Israel’s right to defend itself against indiscriminate rocket attacks from Hamas and other Gaza-based terrorist groups that have taken the lives of innocent civilians in Israel.”

"Hamas is a terrorist organisation, we've recognised that, but that doesn't mean we should not be in Gaza, rebuilding Gaza for all those innocent people who in fact have been hurt and have been collateral damage."

“I believe the Palestinians and Israelis equally deserve to live safely and securely and enjoy equal measures of freedom, prosperity and democracy. My administration will continue our quiet, relentless diplomacy toward that.”

The president mourned the high civilian death toll, particularly children, from the conflict. “I send my sincere condolences to all the families, Israeli and Palestinian, who have lost loved ones and my hope for a full recovery for the wounded.”

The president stopped short of saying the US would push for Israelis and Palestinians to enter diplomatic talks aimed at a two-state solution as many countries were pushing this week at the UN. The Biden administration has maintained that the sides are currently too far apart for such intensive efforts to be effective and that smaller steps toward that eventual goal of two states are preferred in the interim while unilateral steps by either side should be prevented.

I agree with that final paragraph, that starting talks on a two-state solution would at this time, in the current situation achieve nothing, other than making UN members feel good about themselves -"Look, we've done our bit!"

Quite what those 'smaller steps' that the US would prefer actually are is unclear, given they gave Abbas the green light to cancel the elections - which was surely one of the biggest 'smaller steps'.
 
I wrote previously about the strange disappearance of Hams's Gazan leader Yahya Sinwar, neither seen or heard from since the elections were cancelled on 30th April, well before the first missiles were fired on Jerusalem. Yesterday he made his first public appearance since then, with a well-guarded walk through the streets of Gaza City to meet some of the armed brigade. It was, however, a strangely subdued appearance from the erstwhile firebrand with no public statement or pronouncement of victory, such as we've heard from Hamas political leader Ismail Haniyeh from the safety of his home in Qatar.

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This only adds to the speculation that Sinwar lost the power struggle within Hamas and was, at best, a reluctant supporter of the bombing campaign. After all, unlike so many of his leadership colleagues, he does actually live in Gaza.
 
Joe Biden has been answering questions on the Israel - Palestine situation. He said some interesting things. Here are some of them, and I've put a few comments in bold.

"Let's get something straight: until the region says unequivocally they acknowledge the right of Israel to exist as an independent Jewish state, there will be no peace."

"There is no shift in my commitment to the security of Israel. No shift. Period. What we still need is a two-state solution. It is the only answer."

"I made it clear when I spoke with Palestinian Authority President Abbas: We're going to make sure we are going to provide for security in the West Bank. We renewed the security commitment, as well as the economic commitment to the people in the West Bank."

He said he was committed to putting together a "major package," along with other interested nations, to rebuild in Gaza without allowing Hamas to rebuild its weapons systems.

The US “remains committed to working with the United Nations” in providing humanitarian assistance to Gaza and in reconstruction efforts in the enclave.

“We will do this in full partnership with the Palestinian Authority, not Hamas, the Authority, in a manner that does not permit Hamas to simply restock its military arsenal,”

He's right: Hamas Can have no part in the rebuilding. After 2014 too much money, plus cement and other building materials, went missing, with the UN either unwilling or unable to do anything about it.

"I also indicated to the Israelis that I thought it was very important that they stop this inter-communal fighting in Jerusalem by extremes on both sides. It has to end."

When asked about his conversations with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Biden sidestepped the question, saying that "one of the reasons why we were able to get the ceasefire in 11 days is we didn't do what other people have done. I don't talk about what I tell people in private. I don't talk about what we negotiate in private," adding that the 2014 conflict between Israel and Gaza, known as operation Protective Edge, lasted 56 days.

"The prime minister knows my views, but the commitment that was given was immediately kept from the very beginning. I told him what our objective was: There needed to be a ceasefire. And he, in fact, kept his commitment in the time frame in which he said he would."

"I'm praying this ceasefire will hold," Biden said, adding that he takes Netanyahu at his word. "He's never broken his word to me. What I've made clear is that it's essential that the Palestinians on the West Bank be secured and that Abbas be recognised as the leader of the Palestinian people – which he is."

This is an attempt to rehabilitate Abbas and the PA. Not sure the US realise how ordinary Palestinians view them! However, Hamas's attempts to portray themselves as the true representatives of the Palestinian people has to be fought against, as it is completely false.

“I also emphasised what I’ve said throughout this conflict: The United States fully supports Israel’s right to defend itself against indiscriminate rocket attacks from Hamas and other Gaza-based terrorist groups that have taken the lives of innocent civilians in Israel.”

"Hamas is a terrorist organisation, we've recognised that, but that doesn't mean we should not be in Gaza, rebuilding Gaza for all those innocent people who in fact have been hurt and have been collateral damage."

“I believe the Palestinians and Israelis equally deserve to live safely and securely and enjoy equal measures of freedom, prosperity and democracy. My administration will continue our quiet, relentless diplomacy toward that.”

The president mourned the high civilian death toll, particularly children, from the conflict. “I send my sincere condolences to all the families, Israeli and Palestinian, who have lost loved ones and my hope for a full recovery for the wounded.”

The president stopped short of saying the US would push for Israelis and Palestinians to enter diplomatic talks aimed at a two-state solution as many countries were pushing this week at the UN. The Biden administration has maintained that the sides are currently too far apart for such intensive efforts to be effective and that smaller steps toward that eventual goal of two states are preferred in the interim while unilateral steps by either side should be prevented.

I agree with that final paragraph, that starting talks on a two-state solution would at this time, in the current situation achieve nothing, other than making UN members feel good about themselves -"Look, we've done our bit!"

Quite what those 'smaller steps' that the US would prefer actually are is unclear, given they gave Abbas the green light to cancel the elections - which was surely one of the biggest 'smaller steps'.
Mick, you've written some great posts on this. good reading.
I do, however, find it hard as an American citizen to be told by our president that there will be no peace till all sides accept Israel as an independent Jewish state, very hypocritical. It seems to be contrary to the whole separation of church and state that the US is founded on.
The only way out of this is to work with Hamas. They, just like the IDF have agreed to, and are honoring the ceasefire but we're not going to work with them??
We're not going to work with them because that's the only way we could get Bibi to call off his IDF. All it means is the siege of Gaza continues and Hamas restock. In the mean time, Bibi has foiled attempts by the opposition to form a government that would contain Israeli Arabs.
Netanyahu wins but the longer he's in power, the more he'll become a puppet if the Israeli far right and more and more the world will begin to turn it's back on Israel, which is a terrible shame.
 
Mick, you've written some great posts on this. good reading.
I do, however, find it hard as an American citizen to be told by our president that there will be no peace till all sides accept Israel as an independent Jewish state, very hypocritical. It seems to be contrary to the whole separation of church and state that the US is founded on.
The only way out of this is to work with Hamas. They, just like the IDF have agreed to, and are honoring the ceasefire but we're not going to work with them??
We're not going to work with them because that's the only way we could get Bibi to call off his IDF. All it means is the siege of Gaza continues and Hamas restock. In the mean time, Bibi has foiled attempts by the opposition to form a government that would contain Israeli Arabs.
Netanyahu wins but the longer he's in power, the more he'll become a puppet if the Israeli far right and more and more the world will begin to turn it's back on Israel, which is a terrible shame.
Good points. Hopefully the anti-Netanyahu bloc in Israel will put their egos aside, put the country first and form a fresh government, one which would include the Islamist Ra'am party of Mansour Abbas - which would also show that it is possible to work with an Islamist party!

Completely agree with you - the only way out is to work with Hamas and I'm glad someone else has come to that conclusion.

What are the alternatives?

1. Do nothing. Maintain the status quo, turn a blind eye to Hamas replenishing their armoury, and wait for the next explosion.
2. Use force to defeat them.
3. Impose further restrictions on Hamas, in particular stopping the approximately $360 million that Qatar send to Gaza through the Israelis.
4. Find a way of working with Hamas.

1. This is surely untenable and immoral. Once again the biggest losers would be the people of Gaza.
2. Immoral and unthinkable, and probably impossible. Hamas and Islamic Jihad may have been defeated but the Islamist movement would eventually re-emerge.
3. This would likely cause the collapse of the Hamas government, leading to chaos, more misery for the people and a void which will undoubtedly be filled by the men of violence, both militias and criminal gangs.
4. Obviously made more difficult by Hamas shattering their agreed 'period of calm'with Israel, but the only way forward. The pragmatic wing of Hamas need to steer the party back to the democratic path, and the cancelled elections need to take place as soon as possible. The previously agreed 'unity coalition government' needs to be formed, which would include Hamas members in non-prominent positions. Hamas would then be allowed to join the PLO, while the governance of Gaza would fall under the remit of the newly authoritative PA unity government. Hamas would then be free to try to influence policy in the same way as any other party.

All of that could have already been underway had the elections taken place as scheduled last Saturday.

What would have happened to Hamas's armed brigade would have been the next question!
 
Good article here from Alan Shatter in the Irish Times about the need to support the International Fund for Israel/Palestine Peace.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/...esolve-israeli-palestinian-conflict-1.4572897


There are 13.5 million Israelis and Palestinians living in the region, yet the international community is spending less than $4 per person, per year, towards peace in the region. By comparison, to achieve a sustainable peace in Northern Ireland, the international community spent over a billion dollars over two decades. This averaged spending of $33 per person, per year—starting twelve years before a peace deal was reached—is almost ten times the amount invested in similar efforts between Israelis and Palestinians. This investment occurred through a multilateral funding mechanism called the International Fund for Ireland, created by the US Congress and funded by public and private entities across the world.

Money doesn't solve everything but these grassroots civic organisations that bring ordinary Israelis and Palestinians together need to be supported and encouraged.
 
The PA security forces have arrested or summoned for interrogation 11 Palestinians on suspicion of being affiliated with Mohammed Dahlan and his parliamentary electoral list. In addition, 16 Palestinians have been arrested for "fomenting sectarian strife" (criticising the PA) on social media.

Democracy, Mahmoud Abbas style!

Meanwhile, Yahya Sinwar has broken his almost month long silence with a remarkable press conference in front of friendly media. I won't sully the pages of GOT by relating his usual mixture of bile and hatred, but here are some of the things he had to say.

On international aid for Gaza - we don't need any; we have enough from Iran and other private Arab donors.
Hamas have never, ever stolen any aid money.
Not even 5% of the tunnels under Gaza have been destroyed.
“The greatest gift Israel can give me is to assassinate me. I’d rather die a martyr from an F-16 than die of Covid or some other disease.”
The recent bombing campaign was, "nothing but a rehearsal, a tiny drill."
"We support the eradication of Israel through armed Jihad and struggle. This is our doctrine. The occupation must be swept from all our land."
We have 10,000 suicide bombers in Israel who are ready to respond if Israel carries out any violations of the Al-Aqsa Mosque.


Almost every day the Hamas controlled press in Gaza is reporting such 'violations', usually using the phrase, 'the occupation stormed the Al-Aqsa Mosque yesterday'. This is one of the incidents they referred to, the others were similar.groupsttlersstormmosq.webp


'Storm' : A handful of people praying.
 
It's become apparent that on 7th May - four days before missiles were launched at Jerusalem - Mahmoud Abbas sent one of his top aides, Hussein al-Sheikh, to Qatar to speak to Hamas chief Ismail Haniyeh and the Qataris to try to reach an agreement on a national unity government regardless of the postponement of the legislative elections.

The offer was the same that Hamas had accepted when they agreed to elections: a unity government with a slight Fatah majority, and no-one from Hamas in prominent government positions; accept the conditions of the quartet (the EU, the UN, the US and Russia); accept previously signed agreements by the PLO (i.e. the Oslo Accords and other agreements); and commit not to use rockets against Israel. Those conditions would also have committed Hamas to recognising the State of Israel's right to exist.

Whereas before Hamas had accepted these conditions, or at least paid lip service to them, this time they were unacceptable: Hamas had already changed their strategy to one of painting Abbas and the PA as cowards and traitors and themselves as the only defenders of Jerusalem. Somehow they were already predicting that 'the occupation' were going to 'storm' the Al Aqsa Mosque of the 9th and 10th of May. For several days they had already been urging their operatives and supporters in the West Bank and within Israel to flock to Jerusalem to defend it from 'the occupation'. Here's one of Haniyeh's colleagues, Fathi Hamad, speaking on the 7th May.



Since the war ended Abbas has publicly repeated his offer of a unity government, only for Hamas to disdainfully reject it as they continue to portray themselves as the defenders of Jerusalem. As time passes, though, and with the US, the UAE and Israel insisting that no aid money should go to Hamas, and the US in particular keen to give the PA a role in rebuilding Gaza, as well as being the true representatives, along with the PLO, of the Palestinians, there could just be chance of some sort of movement from Hamas.

Having said that it was only yesterday that Khaled Mashal, the leader of Hamas in the diaspora, said, "There is no future for the Zionist entity on our land. The two-state solution is dead."

Serious peace talks are not even a speck on the horizon.
 
Naphtali Bennett tho :Blink:
Yes the best that can be said is that at least he's not Bibi, and he's part of a coalition so diverse that it's hard to see them managing to make any major decisions without collapsing. I'll be surprised if it lasts 6 months!
 
A group of Palestinian academics and public figures have relaunched a campaign to demand the resignation or dismissal of Mahmoud Abbas from all the positions he holds in the Palestinian leadership: the presidency and chairmanship of the PA, PLO, and Fatah. The campaign was put on hold for the duration of the recent Gaza war.

The group accused Abbas of turning the PA into a “dictatorial institution ruled by one individual,” and said: “We declare that this president no longer has any political or national legitimacy; he must resign immediately, or be removed from the three leadership positions he controls. We call on our Palestinian people to join this call, and to start a new page based on the unity of the struggle, the unity of the people, and the unity of the land.”

They also denounced attempts by the US administration to “restore Abbas’s legitimacy” by holding meetings with him and working toward reviving the peace process between the Palestinians and Israel.

Abbas, though, still seems to have the support of the PA security services and the powerful families who continue to do well out of the PA, so it's hard to see him being removed in the near future.

The Egyptians have invited all Palestinian factions to Cairo to discuss the rebuilding of Gaza and the possibility of a 'unity' government being formed., presumably with Abbas remaining as president. Unusually, Abbas has been invited to lead the meeting.

Egypt are also trying to broker a prisoner exchange deal between Hamas and Israel as part of a longer term ceasefire agreement. When asked about this, Yahya Sinwar characteristically yelled his answer, “Write down the number 1,111. You will recall it well in the future.” There's speculation that Marwan Barghouti could be one of the prisoners released in any deal after his wife posted a photo of him on Facebook, accompanied by the message, "See you soon." Hamas currently hold two Israeli civilian prisoners plus the bodies of two IDF soldiers.

The last major prisoner exchange between Israel and Hamas was in 2011 when Netanyahu authorised the release of 1,027 Palestinian security prisoners in exchange for one captive Israeli soldier - Sinwar was amongst those released.

Meanwhile, Hamas have not yet given up on inciting a 3rd intifada by calling for a 'day of rage' on the West Bank this Friday.
“We affirm that the masses of our people are ready to engage in the project of national liberation and to defend the land and the holy sites,” a spokesman said.
 
There's a lot of talk now that Israel and the US intend to pivot back to strengthening the PA, which is the opposite of what they have done since around 2009. Better late than never but, in the absence of any foreseeable peace talks, what can be done?

In case anyone doesn't know, the West Bank is divided into the following areas:
Area A - makes up 18% of the territory in 166 'islands', including cities and towns. It's under PA Control and is home to 55% of the Palestinian population
Area B - 20% of territory under IDF security/PA civil Control, home to 41% of the Palestinian population.
Area C - 62% of territory under IDF Control.

I have long advocated that Israel hand over management of Area B of the West Bank to the PA - this could be done in piecemeal fashion if necessary, bearing in mind Israeli security needs. Similarly, civil control of parts of Area C should be handed over to the PA - this would encourage more Palestinians to live in Area C. Unfortunately, I can't see any of this happening in the foreseeable future, so here are some suggestions that may be feasible.

First of all there are the obvious steps: No more settlement expansion in the West Bank and an end to home demolitions. Easy to say, harder for an Israeli PM to do - it requires strong leadership and a stable government.

Second, no more forced evictions, but equally the PA should, where applicable, encourage tenants to pay the rent they owe rather than persuading them not to as it would mean acknowledging Jewish land ownership.

Third, an end to the dual legal system that sees settlers subject to Israeli civil and criminal law, while Palestinians are subject to a military court system. Everyone who lives in the West Bank should have the same basic right to due process, using the rights Israel grants to its citizens or foreign visitors as a benchmark.

Fourth, the Palestinian Authority is currently fragmented into 166 non-contiguous zones, autonomous islands with no sovereign territorial connections among them. The most common complaint from Palestinians is the number of security checkpoints they need to pass through when travelling around the West Bank. While there are some fine highways, in the main open to both communities, the newer ones have been designed to allow better connections between settlements and central Israel. To counter this and to provide greater freedom of movement, a network of roads could be built to connect the Palestinian autonomous zones and turn the fragmented and divided Palestinian Authority into a single, contiguous territorial unit. The roads would be classed as sovereign Palestinian territory, allowing travel throughout the West Bank without encountering a single Israeli soldier. It wouldn't be cheap, but the technology is there to do it without endangering Israel's security.

Fifth, a change in the planning rules, granting the Palestinians the freedom to plan, build, and expand their towns and villages to meet their needs and desires. Some of the towns have grown so much that they have spilled over into Area C, making the buildings illegal and subject to demolition. A simple transfer of this land from Area C to Area B would solve this.

Sixth, Palestinian trade depends on Israel for an average of 75% of its imports and 80% of its exports. Palestinian economic independence should be the goal, which will need infrastructural and bureaucratic upgrades, including an independent imports-and-exports policy connecting the Palestinian economy to the rest of the world.

Seventh, re-establish most of the joint committees created under the Oslo agreement - there were 26 of them at the peak of the process. The purpose of the joint committees was to establish cross-border cooperation, not to place an Israeli veto on what the Palestinians want to do, which is what essentially happened with many of them. I suggest they start with the Economic, Water, Agriculture, and Tourism committees. Israel also needs to conclude the electricity negotiations with the Palestinian Authority that have been dragging along for years without progress. The main high voltage grid lines in the West Bank that deliver electricity to the Palestinians should be transferred to the PA and a joint committee for electricity should be established to encourage cooperation in bringing a significant amount of solar energy to the Palestinian electricity supply.

Eighth, ease Palestinian travel abroad by measures to reduce waiting times at the Allenby Bridge crossing to Jordan and allowing Palestinians to use Ben Gurion airport, via direct shuttle buses.

Ninth, allow more Palestinians to work in Israel where wages are much higher. Currently 122,000, lifting it to around 400,000 would improve the Palestinian economy, with the added bonus of more Jews and Palestinians working together.

Finally, I would like to see a greater role for the other country that borders the West Bank, Jordan, as apart from Palestinians and Israelis, they are the most vulnerable to instability in the region. They should be allowed/encouraged to contribute more.

Few of these suggestions are new but it will require political will on both sides for any of them to happen. Sadly, there are some Palestinian leaders and activists who fear that agreeing to policies that improve the situation in the territories would only serve to legitimise the current situation. Many of them would prefer to continue suffering under Israeli military rule - without freedom of movement, economic freedoms, or the freedom to build - rather than surrender their claim to full sovereignty. Therefore it will have to be made clear that the implementation of the above plans could not be used as an impediment to an independent Palestinian state, and that in agreeing to them the Palestinians are not giving up on any aspect of their claim to statehood.
 
Thanks for all these @BigMick .. doesn’t always go acknowledged but your efforts to seek a win win while appreciating the sensitivities of both sides is very admirable
Thanks for that.

For the first time since Mahmoud Abbas's disastrous decision to cancel the Palestinian elections I feel a sense of optimism with a new Israeli government to be sworn in on Sunday. A government without Netanyahu and with an Arab party as part of the coalition.

I suspect one of their early actions will be to reinstate direct governmental communications with the PA, something that hasn't been done for 10 years - that in itself is a huge condemnation of the policies of Netahyahu, but also doesn't reflect well on the Palestinian leadership. In those 10 years the only meetings have been between the head of Israeli security and the Palestinian leadership, but now I would expect a minister to travel to Ramallah for talks, not on any 'solution', but perhaps leading to some of the ideas I mentioned in my previous post being implemented.

I'm most excited, though, by the presence of an Arab party in government for the first time. This is huge not just for Israel but for the whole of the region, and there will, sadly, be a lot of people hoping that it fails, ranging from the Israeli hard right, some Israeli Arabs, Hamas, the PA, Iran and a few other Arab countries that aren't too keen on democracy. I hate to say it but there will even be a few people in the west hoping it fails too. Therefore I wouldn't be surprised to see attempts to undermine the government with actions in Jerusalem and the West Bank, trying to create splits in the coalition.

If it succeeds, though, and if the promises made to Mansour Abbas are fulfilled, it could and should lead to more Arab parties following Ra'am into government, and it would also, of course, further increase the pressure on Mahmoud Abbas to give the Palestinian people the democracy that they deserve.
 
Netanyahu has decided that the flag day March will now be allowed to take place and go through the Muslim quarter of the city, which will be a massive provocation to Palestinian Arabs.

Perhaps he wants violence in order for this fragile coalition to fall apart and thus keeping himself in power which show what a truly vile man he is.

He is willing to spill blood to avoid losing power and face trial for corruption. But why isn’t this widely reported in the media ?

Hamas will no that used this to fire more rockets and Netanyahu will use the violence as a justification to stay in power at the same time telling the Israeli right only he can keep them safe and try and force defections.
 
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