New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

[Milkman]

I went to a dozen matches at Goodison last season and it was always a morgue, aside from the final game.

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Nice to see he sat in the North Stand and not the corporate seats

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I went to a dozen matches at Goodison last season and it was always a morgue, aside from the final game.

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Strongly suspect that's a fake. Had a quick check and couldn't find that quote anywhere. That page is bad for engagement bait.

 

[SJB]

 

[RobYoung]

Strongly suspect that's a fake. Had a quick check and couldn't find that quote anywhere. That page is bad for engagement bait.

We also didn't celebrate a goal on that side in a long time! Leeds played in white shorts. And, everything he supposedly said could have been copy-pasted from these pages.

 

[wandyr79]

I know a lot of you have got a weird infatuation about the new ground but it'll never in a million years be as intimidating or hostile to the opposition as Goodison was at its horrible best.

Not saying it will or it won't, but how are you coming to this conclusion? What are the reasons that make you so sure the same set of fans cannot make the new stadium as intimidating or hostile as Goodison was, on it's good days?

 

[mickefc]

Not saying it will or it won't, but how are you coming to this conclusion? What are the reasons that make you so sure the same set of fans cannot make the new stadium as intimidating or hostile as Goodison was, on it's good days?

Ive gone from the Lower Gwladys to the Lower South and although theres probably a load who've done the same, the majority just can't be arsed. Half of them sit down.

 

[Tom Hughes]

It's possible it won't be as intimidating, the fans were very close to the players at Goodison and no doubt that played a part in how intimidating some players may have found it (it's not the only thing that can be intimidating though, so it's only a possibility not a certainty) but Goodison was just a building and buildings aren't hostile. It's the people in the ground who are hostile, so there's no reason there has to be any difference in that respect at the new ground.

Yes, of course it is people who make the noise, but the format and design can greatly affect the atmosphere. That is why practically every new football stadium project makes an issue of stating that it was "designed for good acoustics." (Often with opposing acoustic principles). The old Kop wasn't famed for its atmosphere because kopites were any more vociferous than those in the rest of their ground.... it was simply a matter of having almost 30,000 packed under one echo chamber of a roof at one end.

Goodison had largely quite poor acoustics. It was a big occasion stadium, with a very high participation threshold, but when it did go off, it could become the proverbial bearpit on a single turning point..... because of its tightness to pitch and overlapping tiers bringing everyone together on a relatively tiny footprint, with back row to back row distances being many tens of metres tighter than most stadiums, and certainly compared to the new stadium. The place shouted "intimacy" and "up close and personal" on all sides....... and I don't remember any 50k attendance there being anything but raucous, and often deafening. 60k+ was other worldly.

The new stadium is a very airy cavernous space. The acoustics are very much "whole stadium" rather than "home-end" centric.... which is a bit like Goodison in that respect. So far, the only "blue wall" is the wall that runs between upper and lower tiers of what was supposed to be a single tier equivalent of Dortmund's South Tribune. What we have is a slightly watered down version of Meis original home end design.... that looks and feels distinctly 2 tier. The demographic seems to be a cross between Gwladys Street and Park End, averaging out to something in between overall. Hopefully, that slight identity crisis and the atmosphere will resolve itself after it's all bedded in properly over the next few seasons. Obviously, a bit of success would go a long way to remedying much of that. It will definitely be loud when that happens, as those "whole stadium" acoustics are there, but the South Stand has nowhere near the vocal muscle nor acoustic leverage of Dortmund's South stand.... and that is purely based on basic design and marketing decisions.

 

[Lanolin]

Yes, of course it is people who make the noise, but the format and design can greatly affect the atmosphere. That is why practically every new football stadium project makes an issue of stating that it was "designed for good acoustics." (Often with opposing acoustic principles). The old Kop wasn't famed for its atmosphere because kopites were any more vociferous than those in the rest of their ground.... it was simply a matter of having almost 30,000 packed under one echo chamber of a roof at one end.

Goodison had largely quite poor acoustics. It was a big occasion stadium, with a very high participation threshold, but when it did go off, it could be the proverbial bearpit..... because of its tightness to pitch and overlapping tiers bringing everyone together on a relatively tiny footprint, with back row to back row distances being many tens of metres tighter than most stadiums, and certainly compared to the new stadium. The place shouted an "intimacy" and "up close and persona"l on all sides....... and I don't remember any 50k attendance being anything but raucous and often deafening.

The new stadium is a very airy cavernous space. The acoustics are very much "whole stadium" rather than "home-end" centric.... which is a bit like Goodison in that respect. So far, the only "blue wall" is the wall that runs between upper and lower tiers of what was supposed to be a single tier equivalent of Dortmund's South Tribune. What we have is a slightly watered down version of Meis original home end design.... that looks and feels distinctly 2 tier. The demographic seems to be a cross between Gwladys Street and Park End, averaging out to something in between overall. Hopefully, that slight identity crisis and the atmosphere will resolve itself after it's all bedded in properly over the next few seasons. Obviously, a bit of success would go a long way to remedying much of that. It will definitely be loud when that happens, as those "whole stadium" acoustics are there, but the South Stand has nowhere near the vocal muscle nor acoustic leverage of Dortmund's South stand.... and that is purely based on basic design decisions.

No offence Tom but that's just not in any way relevant to what I said and seems like just an excuse to use the same unfavourable yellow wall comparison as you've made a thousand times before.

 

[Benicetoourboys]

Just sing, doesn't matter where you are in the ground.

 

[Tom Hughes]

No offence Tom but that's just not in any way relevant to what I said and seems like just an excuse to use the same unfavourable yellow wall comparison as you've made a thousand times before.

You made the point inferring that it's only about the fans..... I only tried to show that the stadium's design and oft-mentioned acoustics can also play a major part.

I wasn't the one to use the "Yellow Wall" comparison. That was the "official" comparison used from the beginning of the design process, through planning and right through the construction and even when the stadium first welcomed fans. My point has been consistent since the plans were first revealed.... there is little comparison!

 

[helpimonfire]

Just sing, doesn't matter where you are in the ground.

Correct!

 

[Bez2k2k]

Just sing, doesn't matter where you are in the ground.

Like a bird

 

[Vaughan]

i remember going into the final games of goodison and west ham, arsenal and city were all terrible atmospheres when we had a handful of games left to enjoy it. was really frustrating

absolute rose tinted glasses and just trying to pin the blame on something

 

[Noggsy blue]

I know a lot of you have got a weird infatuation about the new ground but it'll never in a million years be as intimidating or hostile to the opposition as Goodison was at its horrible best.

I think you would find if we was in Forests or West Ham’s position the atmosphere would be different.
Like someone said earlier, because there is no fear of relegation for the 1st time in how many years, fans have taken their foot off the gas.
If we was fighting for our lives again HDS would be as horrible as GP.
What we need now for our amazing new home is a team that gets us off our feet again.
It will come…

 

[anton66]

The stadium did look a lot better and packed when everyone was standing up for the minute applause on Monday.