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[woomy]

It was backdated though.

You are right, it was.
However that didn't stop prices going up in those 4 months of waiting and putting even more strain on the finances of households already at breaking point.
This seems to be a new thing where the government hold back on NHS payrises for several months. Yet we are being told that the government are going to do us all a favour and make the payrise available in April this year. Like it is some kind of great thing they are doing.
What they don't tell you is April has been payrise month for donkies years. It's just very very recently they have decided to drag it out, and announced on the last day of parliament so there can't be held to account in parliament.

All submissions are in to the PRB in February I think. The government gets the advice before the new financial year (April). Yet they have decided in recent years to hold off publishing and awarding until Summer recess.

Honestly let's see. This year it will be in April, a pitiful amount but they will say we have given you 10% ish as a rough figure over the last few months. You can see it coming a mile off.
2024 rise will be late again. But this time inflation will be lower and suddenly nhs will get an a ove inflation payrise and the government say, look we listened. Just in time for the election.

 

[roydo]

You are right, it was.
However that didn't stop prices going up in those 4 months of waiting and putting even more strain on the finances of households already at breaking point.
This seems to be a new thing where the government hold back on NHS payrises for several months. Yet we are being told that the government are going to do us all a favour and make the payrise available in April this year. Like it is some kind of great thing they are doing.
What they don't tell you is April has been payrise month for donkies years. It's just very very recently they have decided to drag it out, and announced on the last day of parliament so there can't be held to account in parliament.

All submissions are in to the PRB in February I think. The government gets the advice before the new financial year (April). Yet they have decided in recent years to hold off publishing and awarding until Summer recess.

Honestly let's see. This year it will be in April, a pitiful amount but they will say we have given you 10% ish as a rough figure over the last few months. You can see it coming a mile off.
2024 rise will be late again. But this time inflation will be lower and suddenly nhs will get an a ove inflation payrise and the government say, look we listened. Just in time for the election.

Anyone who spent several weeks as a visitor to a patient will know this. Sure, the consultants and the surgeons save the life, and they are rightly paid a good wedge.

But the folk who make the difference in recovery are the nurses, the porters, the lady who brings a slice of cake on a birthday, or a cuppa when they know a patient will be thirsty. The ones who change an adult nappy while retaining a patients dignity. The ones who talk, and comfort the patient. The ones who tell the patient when they wake up that "Marky called, he said he lurrrves you". (A lovely Portugese nurse).

The ones we clapped a while back.

2% on tax. £5000 or £10000 wage rise. (depending on the maths.).

Pipe dream I know. But it is right, nevertheless.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Going off-piste but what a lovely story this is/was.



In many ways the spirit of that sums up what the NHS is about, caring for one another as opposed to debt laden profiteeriing that privatisation would bring.

Story here

Oscar Saxelby-Lee: Thousands join bid to help boy beat cancer

Five-year-old Oscar has leukaemia and faces a race against time to find a stem cell match.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Number_25]

People like you see nothing.

You don`t know what you`re talking about, doctors from over-seas come to the UK at will while their own countries population is crying out for medical staff.

Is your argument so fragile that you have to resort to ad-hominem nonsense.

Oddball@leadingtheblindsothattheyshallsee.com

I work for the NHS.

 

[Tree13]

You weren’t just “asking a question”. Your original post was pretty argumentative and sarcastic for no reason.

Unsurprisingly, you weren't in the room with me when I wrote it. Happy to confirm I was just asking the question, and the poster in question kindly supplied me some links and material to read.

But thanks for your kind contribution. Rest assured I care little for your assessment of argumentativeness and/or sarcasm. ?

 

[Brennan]

Unsurprisingly, you weren't in the room with me when I wrote it. Happy to confirm I was just asking the question, and the poster in question kindly supplied me some links and material to read.

But thanks for your kind contribution. Rest assured I care little for your assessment of argumentativeness and/or sarcasm. ?

You’re right I wasn’t, which puts the onus on you to portray what you want to in the written word. Your post came across in an argumentative/sarcastic light as did follow up posts to other people.

Your follow up to me above only further highlights your attitude.

 

[Tree13]

You’re right I wasn’t, which puts the onus on you to portray what you want to in the written word. Your post came across in an argumentative/sarcastic light as did follow up posts to other people.

Your follow up to me above only further highlights your attitude.

I'm not responsible for the way you choose to interpret written material. You have zero authority to put the onus on anyone here to do anything. I'll not take part in your attempts to derail the thread further.

 

[Paris]

This is well worth a listen but rather sad.

Also interesting that the ‘powers that be’ are having discussions with Jordan ?? about the feasibility of having NHS paid for minor operations being done over there.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Indeed. Some of the academic work I'm doing at the moment around levelling up is focusing on social spaces in communities to help people get to know one another more, increase community cohesion and general pride of place, reduce loneliness, and so on. This kind of thing isn't within the remit of the NHS at all, but as soon as the "diseases of despair" kick in, it very much is.

Similarly, things like the perception of "caring" professions among men are very much a societal issue, as I think just 15% of nurses are men at the moment. It's well documented that gender biases kick in at an incredibly young age such that by the time the NHS actively try to recruit people, young men already think these roles aren't for them.

Know someone who tried to run a trial on something similar in conjunction with Age UK. It didn't work spectacularly.

Think she arsed it up tbf, principle is sound.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Know someone who tried to run a trial on something similar in conjunction with Age UK. It didn't work spectacularly.

Think she arsed it up tbf, principle is sound.

It's long been a saying about the NHS that it has more pilots than British Airways. Scaling stuff up has been an issue for as long as I can remember.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Until theirs is a fix for social care, which has been made worse by cutting the grant to local councils, who now have the problem of delivering social care with ever-diminishing resources and ever-increasing demand. The NHS will continue to struggle.
Also, we can't get away from the factual underfunding of NHS, for 10 years from 2010, changes to Nurses and Doctors working conditions, started by Tory Lib dem coalition, not born out necessity but now proven to be of political Ideology.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Know someone who tried to run a trial on something similar in conjunction with Age UK. It didn't work spectacularly.

Think she arsed it up tbf, principle is sound.

It's long been a saying about the NHS that it has more pilots than British Airways. Scaling stuff up has been an issue for as long as I can remember.

Sounds like "Big Society" Cameron flaghship policy , relying on third sector and volunteers, to replace a paid workforce. My experiences with volunteers As long as the care is with older Mrs Smith who likes to sit down and have tea and cake all from M&S in her 5 bedroom bungalow plenty of volunteers for that. Not so much for 25 heard old bipolar type sitting in a bed sit.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

It's long been a saying about the NHS that it has more pilots than British Airways. Scaling stuff up has been an issue for as long as I can remember.

More the trial failed on recruitment grounds rather than being unable to show it was ineffective.

But yes, the change and implementation question in the NHS particularly is a difficult one. Even getting clinicians to adopt NICE guidelines is tricky, so wholesale reorganisation or integration is very challenging.

There's a host of academics from various backgrounds who've made their name off looking at it, but none have truly cracked it.

Tough gig.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Sounds like "Big Society" Cameron flaghship policy , relying on third sector and volunteers, to replace a paid workforce. My experiences with volunteers As long as the care is with older Mrs Smith who likes to sit down and have tea and cake all from M&S in her 5 bedroom bungalow plenty of volunteers for that. Not so much for 25 heard old bipolar type sitting in a bed sit.

Not quite from my example, more recognising that there is a social care problem and that better cross sector working or involvement was needed.

It's long been a problem that the NHS hoovers up the cash and the wider health and social care ecosystem gets neglected. It's always been there, but certainly needs more funding and was open to trying to develop evidence based interventions for those feeling isolated, or with low mood, mild depression in older age.

Certainly wasn't to supplant NHS Services. Prevention, I.e. helping stop low mood and so forth becoming more serious. Which then needs your more intensive specialist approach.

Well, thats the theory.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

It is so easy to submit your objection to what is happening with the NHS.

The link I posted yesterday, and below, takes two minutes to complete and it does the rest for you. After I had completed it I received confirmation the following day from my MP that he had received my objection and concerns. You just need to input your names and address and that is it.

If you are happy with what is happening with the NHS then please ignore this, but if not, why not let the powers that be know. Maybe even share the link.

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