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I don't think they will. My take is they will drag it out and bring forward the announcement of Aprils pay rise a bit earlier.
Summat along the lines of 5%. Even though there is going to be a 2% cap on public sector wages apparently.
Then they can try to blag, oh we have given circa 10% in the last 6 months recently and everyone else is getting 2%. Don't forget, last years April payrise only came through in August for thr NHS.
Or 2% and an extra one off bonus for front line.
To the public it will sound a lot, but when you dig deeper, not only is it way off for 2022 interms of keeping up with inflation, it will be another real terms pay cut again considering where inflation will still be at. But the public will see nurses getting more money than everyone else in terms of a raise. The hope being public opinion turns and nurses get seen as ungrateful money hungry charlatans , they are killing people because of greed.
You can see them on breakfast news. We have given 10% recently and they will be hopefull the public say oh yeah that's pretty much hitting inflation. Without realising its for 2 years. Then back to normal service and 2024 payrise will come in the August instead of April. So 10% for best part of 2 1/2 years.
Hopefully the public will see through it.

Vault me, and pull this up in 3 months, let's see how on the nose it is.

It was backdated though.
 
Another example of the need for a joined approach @Jebus_lives

Funnily enough that was one of the examples that I was using when I was talking to that fella about improving health by design.

 
It's a matter of slack isn't it? If you want to either do things differently or do extra then you need some slack in the system to utilise. The NHS doesn't seem to have that, and instead is running at full throttle just to keep its head above water (to mix metaphors horribly). I know that there have been various attempts over the years to look at the likes of Toyota and how they manage efficiency, but I suspect they seldom include the bits where Toyota factories are routinely shut down for a period each year to allow maintenance, retooling, and so on. Even the most optimised processes have some slack built into them.

Even with the training side of things, an unintended consequence of that is that an existing staff member has to have that student for a number of weeks. My wife had a student for a month or so in the run up to Christmas, and while she's generally happy to do that, it does inevitably slow her down as she has to explain things, show the student how things work, do appraisals, and so on. Her targets and the expectations on her don't slow down though, so she's still expected to keep up with her non-student workload even while having an extra job to do. So by all means increase student numbers, but that's perhaps also something to think about.
You can build slack into the system though. It's a matter of planning and investing. Currently there are so many oblique drains on time for clinicians that the clinical side of the role gets swamped.
 
You can build slack into the system though. It's a matter of planning and investing. Currently there are so many oblique drains on time for clinicians that the clinical side of the role gets swamped.
You can, but it seldom seems to work out like that. Electronic medical records are a good example of a technology that "should" free up time, but has ended up being the bain of many clinicians' life and roundly unpopular due to the extra stress it causes. Automatic transcription is another technology that has long promised to free up time spent on administration, but to my knowledge, it hasn't been widely deployed anywhere yet.
 
You can, but it seldom seems to work out like that. Electronic medical records are a good example of a technology that "should" free up time, but has ended up being the bain of many clinicians' life and roundly unpopular due to the extra stress it causes. Automatic transcription is another technology that has long promised to free up time spent on administration, but to my knowledge, it hasn't been widely deployed anywhere yet.
It varies, but part of the solution should be automation - but a lot of the time the NHS is bolting new initiatives onto decrepit systems.

A new patient record system will be bought and rolled out across a trust where they will still be using XP as the operating system on critical hardware.
 
Migrants are half as likely to use the NHS as non-migrants.
Why is someone half as likely to use the NHS just because they have an overseas passport? Do overseas passports confer some sort of miraculous health benefit that UK passports don't? Are migrants naturally more healthy? Are they immune to certain conditions that indigenous Brits suffer?

Do you have a link to some sort of solid, peer-reviewed study or other academic data to back up this statement?
 
Why is someone half as likely to use the NHS just because they have an overseas passport? Do overseas passports confer some sort of miraculous health benefit that UK passports don't? Are migrants naturally more healthy? Are they immune to certain conditions that indigenous Brits suffer?

Do you have a link to some sort of solid, peer-reviewed study or other academic data to back up this statement?
It's quite straightforward really. The overwhelming majority of immigrants are of working age. The overwhelming majority of healthcare spending is on the very young and the very old.


Indeed, the over 65s represent about 20% of the population but consume around 40% of NHS spending.
 
Why is someone half as likely to use the NHS just because they have an overseas passport? Do overseas passports confer some sort of miraculous health benefit that UK passports don't? Are migrants naturally more healthy? Are they immune to certain conditions that indigenous Brits suffer?

Do you have a link to some sort of solid, peer-reviewed study or other academic data to back up this statement?
Younger & lack of access to services.





‘no doubt that EEA migrants contribute more to the health workforce than they consume in health care’ (one for the Brexit brigade that).

Presumably you've got something to the contrary?
 
It's quite straightforward really. The overwhelming majority of immigrants are of working age. The overwhelming majority of healthcare spending is on the very young and the very old.


Indeed, the over 65s represent about 20% of the population but consume around 40% of NHS spending.
So the differentiator is in fact age, rather than whether or not someone is a migrant? A 35 year old UK citizen is no more or less likely to use the NHS for any given reason than a 35 year old immigrant?
 
It's quite straightforward really. The overwhelming majority of immigrants are of working age. The overwhelming majority of healthcare spending is on the very young and the very old.


Indeed, the over 65s represent about 20% of the population but consume around 40% of NHS spending.
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Blue sky thinking...
 
Younger & lack of access to services.





‘no doubt that EEA migrants contribute more to the health workforce than they consume in health care’ (one for the Brexit brigade that).

Presumably you've got something to the contrary?
I'm just asking a question pal. Thank you for providing the links, do you mind if I take more than eight seconds to read them?
 
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