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[Jebus_lives]

So the differentiator is in fact age, rather than whether or not someone is a migrant? A 35 year old UK citizen is no more or less likely to use the NHS for any given reason than a 35 year old immigrant?

Again not clear cut:

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1258/jhsrp.2010.010097

"The first registrants aged 15 or over had around half the rate of hospital admission asthat of the general population of England. They were also less likely to have a hospital admission than a matched group of within-England migrants. The lower admission rates persisted over several years and were consistent in three consecutive cohorts of first registrants (each consisting of over half a million people)."

 

[Jebus_lives]

I'm just asking a question pal. Thank you for providing the links, do you mind if I take more than eight seconds to read them?

Read them at your leisure.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

It's quite straightforward really. The overwhelming majority of immigrants are of working age. The overwhelming majority of healthcare spending is on the very young and the very old.

What is the age profile of UK immigrants?

Most immigrants to the UK were aged 20–30 and employed. A large-scale job loss for UK citizens is unlikely with the UK jobless rate near a record low

www.bruegel.org

Indeed, the over 65s represent about 20% of the population but consume around 40% of NHS spending.

Would imagine that people would often only use the NHS in an emergency as well as they are largely unfamiliar with the whole process and may be worried about hidden costs. That’s what I find here anyways.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

So the differentiator is in fact age, rather than whether or not someone is a migrant? A 35 year old UK citizen is no more or less likely to use the NHS for any given reason than a 35 year old immigrant?

I believe the original inference was that the number of migrants was contributing to the demise of the NHS. As they are typically of an age that contributes more in taxation to the NHS than they consume in services, it is actually the opposite. We need immigrants to actually pay for the NHS.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1258/jhsrp.2010.010097

https://assets.publishing.service.g...achment_data/file/741926/Final_EEA_report.PDF [Chapter 5]

What do we know about the impact of immigration on the NHS?

Immigration is a hotly contested political issue, with both the costs and benefits under debate. The potential impact of immigration on the NHS is one aspect of this wider discussion, with competing claims that it is both good for, and bad for, the health service.

www.kingsfund.org.uk

 

[Jebus_lives]

I believe the original inference was that the number of migrants was contributing to the demise of the NHS. As they are typically of an age that contributes more in taxation to the NHS than they consume in services, it is actually the opposite. We need immigrants to actually pay for the NHS.

And work in it.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Would imagine that people would often only use the NHS in an emergency as well as they are largely unfamiliar with the whole process and may be worried about hidden costs. That’s what I find here anyways.

Well, my wife works a lot with asylum seekers (and some who have simply slipped through the net), and there is generally a reluctance to deal with any government services as there is a fear it's all a hotline to Braverman's lynchmob.

As this paper illustrates, you also have a not insignificant number who would rather use private services associated with their cultural roots, or indeed travel back to their homeland for healthcare.

https://healthwatchreading.co.uk/sites/reading.healthwatch-wib.co.uk/files/Polish-Community-Access-to-Healthcare-Project-Report-with-responses-v1.pdf

 

[Jebus_lives]

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1258/jhsrp.2010.010097

https://assets.publishing.service.g...achment_data/file/741926/Final_EEA_report.PDF [Chapter 5]

What do we know about the impact of immigration on the NHS?

Immigration is a hotly contested political issue, with both the costs and benefits under debate. The potential impact of immigration on the NHS is one aspect of this wider discussion, with competing claims that it is both good for, and bad for, the health service.

www.kingsfund.org.uk

https://www.bsg.ox.ac.uk/sites/default/files/2018-05/BSG-WP-2015-005.pdf

Have another.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Well, my wife works a lot with asylum seekers (and some who have simply slipped through the net), and there is generally a reluctance to deal with any government services as there is a fear it's all a hotline to Braverman's lynchmob.

As this paper illustrates, you also have a not insignificant number who would rather use private services associated with their cultural roots, or indeed travel back to their homeland for healthcare.

https://healthwatchreading.co.uk/sites/reading.healthwatch-wib.co.uk/files/Polish-Community-Access-to-Healthcare-Project-Report-with-responses-v1.pdf

I know online consultations are very common here.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I know online consultations are very common here.

I'm not sure if it's mandatory, but I believe the £475 health surcharge that is part of any immigration application is probably payable regardless of whether you use the NHS or not.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

https://www.bsg.ox.ac.uk/sites/default/files/2018-05/BSG-WP-2015-005.pdf

Have another.

The Migration Advisory Committee link, chapter 5 gives a robust situation and needs analysis for any not sure about the matter.

 

[Nightman]

The text message I received from my GP earlier today...

 

[roydo]

The text message I received from my GP earlier today...

About a week after Nikki died, (in hospital), her phone was texted from the hospital to "rate your stay".

I kid you not.

 

[roydo]

About a week after Nikki died, (in hospital), her phone was texted from the hospital to "rate your stay".

I kid you not.

Dont be sad or angry folks. I genuinely lol when I saw it. (I kept her phone live for a while). Its more that the non patient care functions in the NHS are so bonkers, no doubt with a stream of management topped with some clown earning 6 figures. Its like the BBC in that way.

 

[Brennan]

I'm just asking a question pal. Thank you for providing the links, do you mind if I take more than eight seconds to read them?

You weren’t just “asking a question”. Your original post was pretty argumentative and sarcastic for no reason.