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[Jebus_lives]

Break the mold, look it up.

They`ve always had a high wage economy, it`s just the way Germany rolls.

Labour has always used immigration to keep wages down while the Tories used unemployment to keep wages down by flooding the labour market.
In todays Britain both parties are pro-immigration.

Net migration for the UK in the year ending June 2022 was estimated to be 504,000.

Are we saying the NHS is struggling because of migration?

Otherwise I'm struggling to see the relevance

 

[wainy]

Break the mold, look it up.

They`ve always had a high wage economy, it`s just the way Germany rolls.

Labour has always used immigration to keep wages down while the Tories used unemployment to keep wages down by flooding the labour market.
In todays Britain both parties are pro-immigration.

Brexit absolutely stunk of pro-immigration.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Are we saying the NHS is struggling because of migration?

Otherwise I'm struggling to see the relevance

I'm saying the population increasing by more than the size of Liverpool in a year is a contributing factor, yes.

Think of where you live - increase the population by sat, 10% and if you don't increase the resource (add more doctors, dentists etc) then there's less accessibility.

 

[Oddball]

People like you are why the NHS is struggling to appoint qualified people from overseas.

Judging by the way you type and your social views, you're in your late 90s. You of all people shouldn't be so gleeful when there's no one there to care for you.

People like you see nothing.

You don`t know what you`re talking about, doctors from over-seas come to the UK at will while their own countries population is crying out for medical staff.

Is your argument so fragile that you have to resort to ad-hominem nonsense.

Oddball@leadingtheblindsothattheyshallsee.com

 

[Jebus_lives]

I'm saying the population increasing by more than the size of Liverpool in a year is a contributing factor, yes.

Think of where you live - increase the population by sat, 10% and if you don't increase the resource (add more doctors, dentists etc) then there's less accessibility.

Also likely to use the NHS less, as they are generally younger and also make up a substantial part of the workforce.

Given that migration adds net value to the UK and uses less public resource, and contributes significantly to the pool of Drs, nurses and dentists, I'd say it's a positive thing.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Also likely to use the NHS less, as they are generally younger and also make up a substantial part of the workforce.

Given that migration adds net value to the UK and uses less public resource, and contributes significantly to the pool of Drs, nurses and dentists, I'd say it's a positive thing.

Everyone uses a health service mate.

More people require more resource.

More hospitals, more doctors etc.

If that doesn't happen, there's less access to healthcare.

It's as simple as that, really.

Are the government providing enough new NHS staff to accommodate?

 

[Nightman]

I'm saying the population increasing by more than the size of Liverpool in a year is a contributing factor, yes.

Think of where you live - increase the population by sat, 10% and if you don't increase the resource (add more doctors, dentists etc) then there's less accessibility.

The Twitter conversation with NHS employee of 32 years on page 2 of this thread said the main issue is people are living longer and therefore need more care to facilitate this. The other biggie not being able to discharge a third of patients who medically can be discharged quickly enough and therefore the NHS is effectively running at 66% capacity.

He said immigration offers little variant to the NHS as they use it far less.

It's worth reading the blokes thoughts on this IMO.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

The Twitter conversation with NHS employee of 32 years on page 2 of this thread said the main issue is people are living longer and therefore need more care to facilitate this The other biggie not being able to discharge a third of patients who medically can be discharged quickly enough and therefore effecting the NHS is effectively running at 66% capacity.

He said immigration offers little variant to the NHS as they use it far less.

It's worth reading the blokes thoughts on this IMO.

That's a factor too isn't it - people living longer.

It's crude but it's resource.

People living longer. Population increasing. Inept government.

 

[Nightman]

That's a factor too isn't it - people living longer.

It's crude but it's resource.

People living longer. Population increasing. Inept government.

It is.

It's a perfect storm, unfortunately. Everything is coming to a head at once.

Dreadful stuff.

 

[john jako]

Question. If you’re in a private care home and get transferred to hospital, do you still pay the care home even if not under their care?

 

[Oddball]

The Twitter conversation with NHS employee of 32 years on page 2 of this thread said the main issue is people are living longer and therefore need more care to facilitate this. The other biggie not being able to discharge a third of patients who medically can be discharged quickly enough and therefore the NHS is effectively running at 66% capacity.

He said immigration offers little variant to the NHS as they use it far less.

It's worth reading the blokes thoughts on this IMO.

Factor in our population has just been supposedly decimated by a pandemic of biblical proportions.

GPs are scarce on the ground and immigrants without the necessary documents turn up at A&E units- over the last 20yrs we`ve got pretty much the same NHS staff but with about 15 million more people wanting medical care at one time or another.

 

[Walken]

Everyone uses a health service mate.

More people require more resource.

More hospitals, more doctors etc.

If that doesn't happen, there's less access to healthcare.

It's as simple as that, really.

Are the government providing enough new NHS staff to accommodate?

It's absolutely not as simple as that, you are deliberately throwing smoke in front of the issue to remove any nuance surrounding immigration

 

[Nightman]

Factor in our population has just been supposedly decimated by a pandemic of biblical proportions.

GPs are scarce on the ground and immigrants without the necessary documents turn up at A&E units- over the last 20yrs we`ve got pretty much the same NHS staff but with about 15 million more people wanting medical care at one time or another.

I now live in a part of the UK with very little immigration, yet our hospitals are also at breaking point, with A&E wait times horrendous and ambulance services stretched to the point of disaster.

Why?

 

[Jebus_lives]

That's a factor too isn't it - people living longer.

It's crude but it's resource.

People living longer. Population increasing. Inept government.

I mean yes, everyone uses the health service, but clearly some use it more than others and I fail to see why immigration seems to be the factor people point at.

Around 25-30% of NHS doctors are immigrants. Around 5th of the NHS doctors trained outside the UK.

Those 30% of Doctors will be taxpayers on higher than average UK salary.

You generally find, immigrants don't use hospital services anywhere near as much as their British equivalent.

I'd sooner point to increasing population health needs, workforce shortages, a decade of austerity in funding for the NHS and other public services particularly in Local Authority social care where it's now increasingly difficult to discharge effectively out of hospital care - hence the "delays" in ambulances.

 

[slipstream86]

The ageing population problem compounds itself further since obviously more older people need more care… but also the proportion of working age people within the population to both staff and via taxes fund the NHS is lower.

We haven’t become a nation of oldies in the space of 12 years. This has been in the making since the formation of the NHS. Just like global warming, it’s a kick the can down the road issue for government after government.