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Would you vote BNP?
Robert Jarvis
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For heavens sake, BNP got a lot of votes because essentially they were protest votes against the labour party failing to recognise what was happening at grass roots and the effect their policies were having on many people. This was brought out last night to which Straw failed to respond adequatley or honestly.
I should know because it was here in Burnley that the BNP started getting council seats before any other area. The people who voted BNP did not do so for his racist views but to take a stick to Labour. Labour failed to realise what was happening and the Lib Dems took over and actually rolled the BNP back.
AS for Straw as I said in my earlier post it is the muslims who keep him in power, in Blackburn he has largely lost the support of white working class.
Many of you are responding to the stories spread by the likes of Hain et al and newspapers. How many of you actually live in areas where there are real tensions arising from the presence of a large muslim community. Not many if any I bet so you have no or little experience.
Before the wars muslim women here hardly covered their heads or wore black but now they do and many go the whole hog and have only small slits for thenm to see through.
BNP support has grown thanks to poor Labour government. It is labour who have failed the people.
I should know because it was here in Burnley that the BNP started getting council seats before any other area. The people who voted BNP did not do so for his racist views but to take a stick to Labour. Labour failed to realise what was happening and the Lib Dems took over and actually rolled the BNP back.
AS for Straw as I said in my earlier post it is the muslims who keep him in power, in Blackburn he has largely lost the support of white working class.
Many of you are responding to the stories spread by the likes of Hain et al and newspapers. How many of you actually live in areas where there are real tensions arising from the presence of a large muslim community. Not many if any I bet so you have no or little experience.
Before the wars muslim women here hardly covered their heads or wore black but now they do and many go the whole hog and have only small slits for thenm to see through.
BNP support has grown thanks to poor Labour government. It is labour who have failed the people.
What business is it of ours though how people dress? I'm not a fan of chavs with muffin tops either but as long as they don't bother me I don't really care. Live and let live.
For the record, the area I lived in London had a large African and South American community. Sure they live in a different way to us but that's all part of the spice of life.
As long as people pay their own way then they can come from (and look like) whatever they like as far as I'm concerned. Bludgers on the other hand aren't welcome, be they British or foreign.
For the record, the area I lived in London had a large African and South American community. Sure they live in a different way to us but that's all part of the spice of life.
As long as people pay their own way then they can come from (and look like) whatever they like as far as I'm concerned. Bludgers on the other hand aren't welcome, be they British or foreign.
You have to be kidding right, this idea makes some of the BNP's policies seem moderate
Your in Aldous Huxley territory there - Votes for Alphas, but not Epsilon Semi-Moron's
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Robert Jarvis
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Bruce, how anyone dresses is upto them, you miss the point about what I was saying this all came about after the wars started and 7/7. What is more neither I or you know if the women as a whole have dressed like this voluntarily.
Another point about what you are saying, TBH carib and SA cultures are not that much different then ours unlike muslim communities. Your comments just reinforce what I was saying about members on here have little or no expereince of living in an area with a large muslim presence.
About paying their own way also serves to demonstrate your lack of experience. Could you afford to buy BMW coupes or convertible, A4 converitbles, Range Rovers when in your late teens or early twenties and have no visible employment. I know how corrupt they are at least here in Burnley.
Another point about what you are saying, TBH carib and SA cultures are not that much different then ours unlike muslim communities. Your comments just reinforce what I was saying about members on here have little or no expereince of living in an area with a large muslim presence.
About paying their own way also serves to demonstrate your lack of experience. Could you afford to buy BMW coupes or convertible, A4 converitbles, Range Rovers when in your late teens or early twenties and have no visible employment. I know how corrupt they are at least here in Burnley.
ChicagoToffee
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No offense but a horrible thought at that.
Tests etc... were used in the South to keep African Americans from voting - literacy tests, Constitution tests etc... Any sort of qualification is a tool to exclude voices from the process.
The single most important principle about a democratic government is that everyone that will be governed are able to decide who governs. People vote for wackos or vote against candidates because they're conservative, liberal, white, hispanic, catholic...etc. There's no right or wrong - just as long as you actually vote.
If you don't vote, you can't bitch.
Robert Jarvis
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Well said CT.
Islamic culture isn't really my bag but as long as people don't force their views on me I don't really care what they do. I've recently lived in a house with people from pretty much every continent and whilst there are undoubted differences in approach to life, there were also enough similarities to get along. At the moment I'm living with a white, English christian and again our philosophies on life are very different, but we get along. Genetics dictate that we are all individuals but as human beings we also share enough similarities to get along just fine.
There will always be bad apples in any community but just as I wouldn't like to be judged on the words and deeds of Nick Griffin or the seemingly increasing chav population, I don't think it's fair to write off another ethnic group because of the actions of some. Lots of places have terrorist fringes. Should we hate Arteta because his Basque compatriots like to blow people up or hate all Americans because of the actions of Bush?
And if you don't like the choices on offer?
Bruce makes a valid point, can you vote for none of the above? I dont know what would happened if the no voters won, we probably wouldnt move to Kirkby!! Yay, but I think it would send the right message if a lot of people voted none of the above, what the implications would be im not sure, maybe Military Rule!!!
That would get the chavs off the streets anyway.
That would get the chavs off the streets anyway.
You have to be kidding right, this idea makes some of the BNP's policies seem moderate
Your in Aldous Huxley territory there - Votes for Alphas, but not Epsilon Semi-Moron's
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All valid points, if you consider that there's an uneven playing field - as there was in the deep south in the US. There is no reason, however that someone in the UK couldn't get off their arses and take an interest in what they're voting for.
There'd be no barrier to people educating themselves sufficiently to pass this electoral license test if they were interested, but maybe the right to vote and decide the nation's future is a right that should be earned, at least by showing that you're in the slightest bit interested and have the first idea what's going on.
Surely this would be a less dangerous system than simply voting for who the S*n tells you to?
Gordon, what sort of test would you have? and what if you couldnt read english would you fail? or would you only pass if people agree with you?.
Democracy is everyones right to choose who they want to vote for and who they deem best to do it. If people think there getting a raw deal from this shitty pc obsest goverment they have the right to listen and vote for who they want.
Democracy is everyones right to choose who they want to vote for and who they deem best to do it. If people think there getting a raw deal from this shitty pc obsest goverment they have the right to listen and vote for who they want.
On the contrary, democracy, or perhaps more accurately freedom, is never living for the sake of another man, nor asking another man to live for mine.
they certainly do, and it wouldn't be a case of approving of someone's voting intentions, merely assessing their understanding of the principle issues involved. This can be kicked off with a compulsory subject in the school curriculum (along the lines of the Gen Studies A Level).
As for the not being able to read English issue, of course there would have to be foreign language test available (in the same way that there are 48 versions of every leaflet produced by your council these days), having said that, there are already proposals to make English Literacy a requirement for citizenship and therefore the vote.
ChicagoToffee
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Unfortunately, that is the nature of a democracy. You get to vote for whomever you want regardless of your reasons. If you're worried about non-interested or persons naive of the issues voting, educate them. Get out and explain why their vote matters and why they should understand who they are voting for. Plenty of people here vote on one issue - abortion, gun control, taxes etc...
Don't know what the voting rate in England is but it's pretty poor here - I think less than 50%. Look at what happened here last year. Obama got a lot of votes (and I mean a lot) from people who didn't know what the issues were or what Obama really wanted to do policy wise, they just knew a vote for Obama was not a vote for another presumed 4 years of Bush policy. Does that make their votes less worthy?
Sadly, most people are naive to the actual issues or simply don't care. Look at Chicago - it has been a Democratic stronghold for years and Mayor Daley runs virtually unopposed. Why? People are less interested about corruption and good governmental management than they are about having their trash picked up daily and the trains and buses running on time. Chicago is pretty poorly managed but my trash is always collected, my train runs downtown without hassle and the parks and greenspaces are pretty solid. Can I live with the corruption and BS in exchange for not having those worries, apparently most of Chicago can.
Don't know what the voting rate in England is but it's pretty poor here - I think less than 50%. Look at what happened here last year. Obama got a lot of votes (and I mean a lot) from people who didn't know what the issues were or what Obama really wanted to do policy wise, they just knew a vote for Obama was not a vote for another presumed 4 years of Bush policy. Does that make their votes less worthy?
Sadly, most people are naive to the actual issues or simply don't care. Look at Chicago - it has been a Democratic stronghold for years and Mayor Daley runs virtually unopposed. Why? People are less interested about corruption and good governmental management than they are about having their trash picked up daily and the trains and buses running on time. Chicago is pretty poorly managed but my trash is always collected, my train runs downtown without hassle and the parks and greenspaces are pretty solid. Can I live with the corruption and BS in exchange for not having those worries, apparently most of Chicago can.
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