Meanwhile in America

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Caolam said:
I would hate to live in a place where you need so much security and you still feel you need a gun to be safe and I live in Northern Ireland.
It appears to me you are saying "I need my gun but no one else should have one".
I've never got this thing "Guns don't kill people, people kill people", it is people with guns who kill people. You can't take the people away so take the guns away.
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what about rappers?
 
"Chris Mintz, an army veteran and student at Umpqua Community College in Oregon, took seven bullets after charging at yesterday's shooter... and survived. He's originally from Randleman, North Carolina, and served nearly 10 years in the armed forces, during which time he was deployed to the Middle East. Upon leaving the army, he moved to Oregon and started going to school with the hopes of becoming a fitness trainer.

If you can't tell by his pictures, he's pretty swole from practicing mixed martial arts and cage-fighting. When his cousin heard about his heroic feat, he said it 'sound[ed] like something [Chris] would do.' According to NBC News, he was shot in the 'back, abdomen and hands' and suffered "='two broken legs.' He had to undergo surgery upon arriving at the hospital, but he's expected to recover. His cousin also said that he'll have to 'learn to walk' again.

Yesterday also just happened to be his six-year-old son's birthday. Chris was heard saying 'It’s my son’s birthday, it’s my son’s birthday,' as he lay bleeding.

Chris' cousin set up a GoFundMe to raise money for his hospital bills. It's already raised $66,000, even though the goal was just $10,000. Chris told ABC News this morning that he is 'worried about everyone else' and 'hope that everyone else is OK.'

According to a witness, Chris took charge of the situation during the shooting. Hannah Miles told ABC News,

He ran to the library and pulled the alarms and he was telling people to run, grabbing people, telling them, 'You just have to go.' He actually ran back towards the building where the shooting was and he ran back into the building and I don't know what happened to him.

His story is being presented as a counter-narrative to reports about the killer, in the hopes that focusing on people like Chris will help prevent mass shooters from getting the media attention they often crave."
 
Toffeelover said:
But how many more must die before folk wake up?
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Nothing will change. Sadly.

The thing is, even if they passed a law similar to what we have here, the culture of gun ownership is ingrained; in criminals and the public.

Like over here, a burgler would rarely take a gun to a job. Reasons are 2 fold. 1. The penalty for armed robbery is far higher than just plain robbery. 2. They know the chances of a household owning a gun is minimal, so why bother with one yourself? So folk over here see no point in owning one, other than for sport.

There are gazillions of unregistered guns in the US, so even if they passed a law, burglers would still think there is a good chance a homeowner will have one, and a homeowner will still think a burger will have one, so, everyone will still want one.

Nuts? Yep. True? Yep.
 
ItsOKImAPilot said:
"Chris Mintz, an army veteran and student at Umpqua Community College in Oregon, took seven bullets after charging at yesterday's shooter... and survived. He's originally from Randleman, North Carolina, and served nearly 10 years in the armed forces, during which time he was deployed to the Middle East. Upon leaving the army, he moved to Oregon and started going to school with the hopes of becoming a fitness trainer.

If you can't tell by his pictures, he's pretty swole from practicing mixed martial arts and cage-fighting. When his cousin heard about his heroic feat, he said it 'sound[ed] like something [Chris] would do.' According to NBC News, he was shot in the 'back, abdomen and hands' and suffered "='two broken legs.' He had to undergo surgery upon arriving at the hospital, but he's expected to recover. His cousin also said that he'll have to 'learn to walk' again.

Yesterday also just happened to be his six-year-old son's birthday. Chris was heard saying 'It’s my son’s birthday, it’s my son’s birthday,' as he lay bleeding.

Chris' cousin set up a GoFundMe to raise money for his hospital bills. It's already raised $66,000, even though the goal was just $10,000. Chris told ABC News this morning that he is 'worried about everyone else' and 'hope that everyone else is OK.'

According to a witness, Chris took charge of the situation during the shooting. Hannah Miles told ABC News,

He ran to the library and pulled the alarms and he was telling people to run, grabbing people, telling them, 'You just have to go.' He actually ran back towards the building where the shooting was and he ran back into the building and I don't know what happened to him.

His story is being presented as a counter-narrative to reports about the killer, in the hopes that focusing on people like Chris will help prevent mass shooters from getting the media attention they often crave."
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the fact that this was necessary is worthy of a thread, well done to the fella though, also the media are constantly told that putting up pictures of the killers is exactly the wrong thing to do, they of course ignore this advice to line their own pockets
 
roydo said:
Nothing will change. Sadly.

The thing is, even if they passed a law similar to what we have here, the culture of gun ownership is ingrained; in criminals and the public.

Like over here, a burgler would rarely take a gun to a job. Reasons are 2 fold. 1. The penalty for armed robbery is far higher than just plain robbery. 2. They know the chances of a household owning a gun is minimal, so why bother with one yourself? So folk over here see no point in owning one, other than for sport.

There are gazillions of unregistered guns in the US, so even if they passed a law, burglers would still think there is a good chance a homeowner will have one, and a homeowner will still think a burger will have one, so, everyone will still want one.

Nuts? Yep. True? Yep.
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Spot on.
 
WA Toffee said:
Out of interest, if someone broke into your house and they had a gun, how long would it really take you to unlock your safe and get your gun? I'm sure it would be more than a split second. And do you think the burglar with a gun is just going patiently wait while you unlock it? And how likely do you think it is that someone is going to break into your house and try to kill you?
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Jim Jeffries summaries this perfectly.....Your 5th Amendment says I can say your 2nd amendment sucks balls......and they are "Amendments"......seek him out...well funny
 
roydo said:
Nothing will change. Sadly.

The thing is, even if they passed a law similar to what we have here, the culture of gun ownership is ingrained; in criminals and the public.

Like over here, a burgler would rarely take a gun to a job. Reasons are 2 fold. 1. The penalty for armed robbery is far higher than just plain robbery. 2. They know the chances of a household owning a gun is minimal, so why bother with one yourself? So folk over here see no point in owning one, other than for sport.

There are gazillions of unregistered guns in the US, so even if they passed a law, burglers would still think there is a good chance a homeowner will have one, and a homeowner will still think a burger will have one, so, everyone will still want one.

Nuts? Yep. True? Yep.
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Getting a gun isn't too hard here.. It's buying the ammo that is very difficult! Shotguns are easy to get however..
 
ItsOKImAPilot said:
I am an American gun owner. I am also a single woman who has been living by myself near large, dangerous cities my whole life. The gun doesn't leave the safe I have at a strategic proximity where I can reach it if I need to in a split second. Being part of a targeted demographic doesn't make me feel the need to pack heat everywhere I go. I just don't get that mentality.

In most cases I don't think a gun will protect you and others in the event of an active shooter. In fact, I think having a bunch of cowboys firing their guns off in hopes of hitting the assailant would make matters much worse. Anyone that tells you they can shoot well under stress and pressure with the intent to take another person's life has most likely never been in the position to do so. It's not easy.

In a perfect world where all gun owners are intelligent, calm, and responsible, guns could serve as a deterrent to people wishing to conduct mass casualty shootings. That's not the case and now all we have are a bunch of trigger-happy people going to Trader Joe's with a gun in their pants. I think intensive training and background checks are necessary to obtain guns and I am not in favor of concealed carry in 90% of places.

In Virginia you can obtain a gun if you can count your toes and cook toast. That's how a psycho recently acquired a gun to kill a young journalist and cameraman on live TV. Lastly, I hate the argument that criminals will get guns regardless. No scheiße, but it is still too easy for them to find weapons because we have so many guns around to begin with.
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...the whole point of gun regulation is to make it hard for idiots to get hold of one. If that is the case then law abiding citizens like yourself would have no need to own one.
 
problem with is america, isnt guns. Its idiots own them. Its like owning a Porsche 911, not everyone can handle it.

Get rid of the idiots.
 
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