Meanwhile in America

[dandydan]

So he was muslim extrimist who killed innocent christians. ...

And peeps are not allowed to say that.
our media left out the muslim part too.

...mad world.

I wouldn't jump to that conclusion yet. Apparantley he was an IRA fanboy so there is just as much chance he was looking for Protestants to kill. More likely he was just mental.

 

[ItsOKImAPilot]

For most of the people that follow a more strict doctrine, the idea of allowing too loose of an interpretation is soon followed by the slippery slope of a total erosion of other "liberties". There is a very large, somewhat paranoid, group of people that really believe everything will be taken away from us by big government.

I do contract work for a company that purchases, amongst other things, military grade vehicles for LOCAL police. Hillsborough County (Tampa, FL) just bought vehicles with .50 caliber rifles mounted on them. What does a county agency need that for? I'm not agreeing with the those that lay awake at night clutching their assault rifles (I don't own a gun, and I'm personally afraid of them), but if you were to know what some of these agencies possess, you'd be shocked.

Absolutely agree. There is NO reason why our police should look like an armored division.

 

[The Cowboy]

I suppose it is bad form and against convention to talk about the affairs of another nation, and apologies to any American readers for me saying this, but it has to be said.

Repeal the right of Americans to carry guns in public spaces (just as they are not permitted to be carried on Government premises). Licence and regulate permitted activities such as hunting (as in the UK), and permit if you must, the use of fire arms at home as a means of self defence.

How many more innocent people must die before sensible decisions are taken?

Agreed Esk. License firearms to an address, and only allow that firearm to be discharged within the grounds of that address.

 

[TheFinnFan]

I wouldn't jump to that conclusion yet. Apparantley he was an IRA fanboy so there is just as much chance he was looking for Protestants to kill. More likely he was just mental.

He probs had brain aids

 

[DualityNSNO]

No indication whatsoever that he was a Muslim.

His social media accounts had images in support of the IRA, and he listed himself as a "conservative republican" on a dating site. On that site his username was Ironcross45 - Iron cross being a military medal from nazi Germany, if I remember right

Been around for about 150 or so years before it to be honest. Also Crusaders.

Suppose he is using it as the Nazis did it though, which is sad.

Anywho, @the esk nailed it a few posts back.

 

[daylightrobber]

I wouldn't jump to that conclusion yet. Apparantley he was an IRA fanboy so there is just as much chance he was looking for Protestants to kill. More likely he was just mental.

Has your GOT account been hacked?

 

[moyeslovechild]

I do contract work for a company that purchases, amongst other things, military grade vehicles for LOCAL police. Hillsborough County (Tampa, FL) just bought vehicles with .50 caliber rifles mounted on them. What does a county agency need that for? I'm not agreeing with the those that lay awake at night clutching their assault rifles (I don't own a gun, and I'm personally afraid of them), but if you were to know what some of these agencies possess, you'd be shocked.

isnt it a bit circular

arent they only possessing such things because american civillians can and do own ridiculous amounts of weaponry themselves

ive seen stories of americans with enough equipment to arm a small army! Grenades and all sorts

tho certainly the gun & arms trade profits just as much from the police being armed to the teeth... They love this

 

[BMFin]

isnt it a bit circular

arent they only possessing such things because american civillians can and do own ridiculous amounts of weaponry themselves

ive seen stories of americans with enough equipment to arm a small army! Grenades and all sorts

tho certainly the gun & arms trade profits just as much from the police being armed to the teeth... Which is a big factor all round

You're 100% correct. It's circular, and each side will continue to arm themselves.
*edit* Those that arm themselves feel, by strict interpretation, that it's their duty to have the ability to form a militia against a tyrannical government. The police feel they need to be heavily armed to stop them. Locking up weapons in a central location, as someone suggested, would be counterproductive.
Local police has become increasingly militant over the past 20-25 years, but crime has gotten much worse. Instead of solving the issue as to why crime is out of hand, prisons have become privatized, and the prisoners traded commodities.

 

[ItsOKImAPilot]

 

[dandydan]

Has your GOT account been hacked?

No I've been doing mushrooms. Corbyn for PM!

 

[deipnosophist]

The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."


America's founding fathers constitutionally enshrined the right of a state's citizenry to bear arms with ambition toward defending the (desired) confederation against any future insidious creep of federal power (aka Washington DC).
That ambition was lost long ago- DC owns America and nefarious entities own DC.

It used to be said : "the Soviet Union is a third rate country with first rate weapons". The same can now be said about USA.

 

[DanB90]

I just fail to understand how an item that's sole purpose is to kill or severely injure is so readily available and easy to acquire.

Surely there's been enough tragedies to prove that people can't be trusted with such things.

The whole thing is seriously messed up.

 

[Garrick]

isnt it a bit circular

arent they only possessing such things because american civillians can and do own ridiculous amounts of weaponry themselves

ive seen stories of americans with enough equipment to arm a small army! Grenades and all sorts

tho certainly the gun & arms trade profits just as much from the police being armed to the teeth... They love this

It's important to remember who actually funds and controls the biggest gun lobby in America (the NRA).

It's not 2nd amendment activists.

It's literally arms dealers.

Beretta. Smith and Wesson. Sturm, Ruger & Co.

The people who control the NRA are profiting off of the widespread panic their organization causes. The fear, uncertainty, and doubt about "self-defense" and how the government is going to come "take your guns so you have to protect yourself." All of this crap about how 21st century America is this unsafe place and there are SCARY PEOPLE out there you must PROTECT YOURSELF from even though these are the lowest crime rates we've had for a long time.

Oh, and you're trying to restrict somebody's GOD GIVEN RIGHT to protect themselves? You're evil, then. Restrictions on guns are "Un-American." Even though it also means that organized crime gets the same easy access to ridiculous weaponry.

And then you get situations like you're describing where people go insane and buy dozens of weapons. And then, all of those high power weapons are out there, so local law enforcement has to step up THEIR arms game too in response.

And on.

And on.

And on.

 

[Steverton]

It's important to remember who actually funds and controls the biggest gun lobby in America (the NRA).

It's not 2nd amendment activists.

It's literally arms dealers.

Beretta. Smith and Wesson. Sturm, Ruger & Co.

And sadly they have majority of Congress in their back pocket. If we couldn't even get a simple background check mandated after Sandy Hook, I have little hope for any changes.

 

[DanEFC92]