Meanwhile in America

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ItsOKImAPilot said:
I am an American gun owner. I am also a single woman who has been living by myself near large, dangerous cities my whole life. The gun doesn't leave the safe I have at a strategic proximity where I can reach it if I need to in a split second. Being part of a targeted demographic doesn't make me feel the need to pack heat everywhere I go. I just don't get that mentality.

In most cases I don't think a gun will protect you and others in the event of an active shooter. In fact, I think having a bunch of cowboys firing their guns off in hopes of hitting the assailant would make matters much worse. Anyone that tells you they can shoot well under stress and pressure with the intent to take another person's life has most likely never been in the position to do so. It's not easy.

In a perfect world where all gun owners are intelligent, calm, and responsible, guns could serve as a deterrent to people wishing to conduct mass casualty shootings. That's not the case and now all we have are a bunch of trigger-happy people going to Trader Joe's with a gun in their pants. I think intensive training and background checks are necessary to obtain guns and I am not in favor of concealed carry in 90% of places.

In Virginia you can obtain a gun if you can count your toes and cook toast. That's how a psycho recently acquired a gun to kill a young journalist and cameraman on live TV. Lastly, I hate the argument that criminals will get guns regardless. No scheiße, but it is still too easy for them to find weapons because we have so many guns around to begin with.
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Out of interest, if someone broke into your house and they had a gun, how long would it really take you to unlock your safe and get your gun? I'm sure it would be more than a split second. And do you think the burglar with a gun is just going patiently wait while you unlock it? And how likely do you think it is that someone is going to break into your house and try to kill you?
 
Layne said:
Muslim Nazis?? We're the word zombie away from the end of the world or a great computer game.
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Useless facts you learn whilst doing a history degree. Himmler formed Muslim divisions (mainly from Bosnia) into the SS.

Muslim members of the Waffen SS 13th Division at prayer
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WA Toffee said:
Out of interest, if someone broke into your house and they had a gun, how long would it really take you to unlock your safe and get your gun? I'm sure it would be more than a split second. And do you think the burglar with a gun is just going patiently wait while you unlock it? And how likely do you think it is that someone is going to break into your house and try to kill you?
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It takes mere seconds and they would have to force themselves through my door first before entering which would give me substantial time to retrieve my gun and position myself appropriately. I also have an advantage of being highly trained with a handgun versus the average criminal.

It is highly unlikely it would ever come to this. My residence near DC is a secure high rise. You need to be a resident to enter the premises and you would then have to navigate to my unit if you were specifically targeting me. At that point I have alarms that sound upon force entry. Generally that is enough of a deterrent.
 
ItsOKImAPilot said:
It takes mere seconds and they would have to force themselves through my door first before entering which would give me substantial time to retrieve my gun and position myself appropriately. I also have an advantage of being highly trained with a handgun versus the average criminal.

It is highly unlikely it would ever come to this. My residence near DC is a secure high rise. You need to be a resident to enter the premises and you would then have to navigate to my unit if you were specifically targeting me. At that point I have alarms that sound upon force entry. Generally that is enough of a deterrent.
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It sounds like you are pretty safe then. Why do you have a gun?
 
Layne said:
Pure evil but clearly clever that Himmler fella.
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He was actually quite stupid. He pursued the Final Solution with the most vigour of any Nazi, and was responsible for diverting huge amounts of important war-time manpower and resources to killing Jews instead of fighting a war. If he wasn't such a complete an utter abomination, they may have had a better chance against Russia.
 
the esk said:
How many more innocent people must die before sensible decisions are taken?
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Unfortunately, this question gets asked every time something like this happens. Democrats will claim that something needs to change, Republicans will claim that Democrats are using the tragedy as a political plaything, nothing will happen, it all dies down, some lad shoots up a college again.
 
Prevenger17 said:
He was actually quite stupid. He pursued the Final Solution with the most vigour of any Nazi, and was responsible for diverting huge amounts of important war-time manpower and resources to killing Jews instead of fighting a war. If he wasn't such a complete an utter abomination, they may have had a better chance against Russia.
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And the reason he got caught was because he insisted on showing his (forged) papers at a british checkpoint when the rest weren't even bothering.

Gabshoite.
 
ItsOKImAPilot said:
I've not always been able to afford such a nice place, and nothing is never 100% safe.
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I would hate to live in a place where you need so much security and you still feel you need a gun to be safe and I live in Northern Ireland.
It appears to me you are saying "I need my gun but no one else should have one".
I've never got this thing "Guns don't kill people, people kill people", it is people with guns who kill people. You can't take the people away so take the guns away.
 
Prevenger17 said:
He was actually quite stupid. He pursued the Final Solution with the most vigour of any Nazi, and was responsible for diverting huge amounts of important war-time manpower and resources to killing Jews instead of fighting a war. If he wasn't such a complete an utter abomination, they may have had a better chance against Russia.
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Why you got to hate on a man with a passion? He did see that Muslims would fight to the death as they didn't fear it because of the virgins waiting for them when they died, he knew Christians for all their beliefs still have self preservation tendencies and will retreat or desert.
 
Caolam said:
I would hate to live in a place where you need so much security and you still feel you need a gun to be safe and I live in Northern Ireland.
It appears to me you are saying "I need my gun but no one else should have one".
I've never got this thing "Guns don't kill people, people kill people", it is people with guns who kill people. You can't take the people away so take the guns away.
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Nowhere did I say I should be the only person with a gun. I think everyone should be able to have a gun in their home if they choose. I have a problem with guns being carried in public, specifically to parks and bars. I mentioned I am skilled with one to explain why I feel it is an added layer of security. If I did not trust myself to use one properly and in the right moment I would not have one anywhere near me.

I bought it after a turbulent time in my life when I found myself in a very abusive relationship. It wasn't just a random purchase.
 
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