This is my issue this time round. What will the damage be then if its still bad. Probably a few good players gone in the summer to boot. This is a good squad that should be up there but its not and that is all down to style of play. My worry is he will get rid of some players in the summer to be able to get others in that can play his style and nothing will change results wise. It's a gamble, do we get rid before he rips the squad apart and HOPE he gets it right or do we get someone else to work with this set of players first.
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This is my issue this time round. What will the damage be then if its still bad. Probably a few good players gone in the summer to boot. This is a good squad that should be up there but its not and that is all down to style of play. My worry is he will get rid of some players in the summer to be able to get others in that can play his style and nothing will change results wise. It's a gamble, do we get rid before he rips the squad apart and HOPE he gets it right or do we get someone else to work with this set of players first.
He will NEVER be sacked guys
EVER
The only way he's out of this club will be if he resigns
We can't afford to sack him. He's on a five year deal
He's here until HE wants to go
I think that if we survive, he does deserve a chance to right the ship
However, he should be under intense scrutiny during his third season
marty mcfly
Player Valuation: £40m
Exactly - It's too dangerous giving him the transfer window.
I thought as well that giving him to Christmas was the best bet but the manner of that defeat has woken me up.
Oh, definitely. If Howard, Barry and Alcaraz start our first match next season, I am OOT.
Ashtonian
Banned on request
The issue i have with last nights game was not the fact we went out. We scored 2 goals both home and away and you would have taken that before last weeks game. The problem here is the way we went out, almost as if we were trying to. We played the opposite of how we played to win games recently and oddly enough we lost because of it . We went back to the philosophy and of course it failed.
the poor defence came back to haunt us as well, what has taken us to a relegation battle and knocked out of europe despite being the better team in all honesty.
Now i have two thoughts. Martinez has and is continuing to do a poor job, and personally he shouldnt be in charge from next year. We are a top team in the league and put spurs / liverpool / united / chelsea / city in our position right now, would they give him more time? People seem to forget we challenge for europe most years and now we dont know when we will get back there. We are massively under performing far beyond the quality of the team so giving him next season could well give us 10-15 games handicap on the top teams again before we find out if he is good enough.
the other thought is that this gives him chance to rebuild now if he wants to plan ahead. Alcaraz out of contract means he will need replacing instead of signing which means a better defender should come in. same as other areas bar barry who i swear to god is bordering neville territory now in the team. but when all said and done will he even change our play because he seems incapable of doing it when we are failing.
Also , forget aggregate scores, we are 3-1 down at half time and NOTHING changes. We are 5-1 down and we then bring besic on! That is the management of someone who should not be in their job much longer after the season he has had!
the poor defence came back to haunt us as well, what has taken us to a relegation battle and knocked out of europe despite being the better team in all honesty.
Now i have two thoughts. Martinez has and is continuing to do a poor job, and personally he shouldnt be in charge from next year. We are a top team in the league and put spurs / liverpool / united / chelsea / city in our position right now, would they give him more time? People seem to forget we challenge for europe most years and now we dont know when we will get back there. We are massively under performing far beyond the quality of the team so giving him next season could well give us 10-15 games handicap on the top teams again before we find out if he is good enough.
the other thought is that this gives him chance to rebuild now if he wants to plan ahead. Alcaraz out of contract means he will need replacing instead of signing which means a better defender should come in. same as other areas bar barry who i swear to god is bordering neville territory now in the team. but when all said and done will he even change our play because he seems incapable of doing it when we are failing.
Also , forget aggregate scores, we are 3-1 down at half time and NOTHING changes. We are 5-1 down and we then bring besic on! That is the management of someone who should not be in their job much longer after the season he has had!
marty mcfly
Player Valuation: £40m
He's now got 4 years left.
Since most contracts have performance clauses it's highly unlikely (although nothing can be taken for certain) that we would have to pay him for the full 4 years.
However even if we did it would cost us far less than relegation and I hate to say it but without Rom next season that's exactly what we would be looking at. The question is not really if at this stage but when.
We'll give him to the end of the season but his job is on the line. Unless we make 10th and top half he needs to go.
By god I'm blue
Banned at own request
Having slept on it.
I would still have to give him until October, unless the same mistakes and calamities persist until the end of the season.
This is really his final watershed.
He has been living on the grace of last season now for 7 months.
If we could see some light and the same problems not being repeated consistently, I am sure 99% of the people who want him out would give him a bit more time.
But, he is making a rod for his own back every time he sends a side onto the park and then opens his mouth afterwards.
Don't let the stupidity of a certain poster on here grind you down and make you dislike Martinez. He has had 1 fantastic season and 1 appalling season. On the strength of that most of us would give him one more chance.
It really starts on Sunday for me and then how we perform in the last 1/4 of the season. I still think even though last night even though we made some defensive howlers, I always felt we were in the game.
Barkley looked good again, Lukaku is playing great, Lennon will come back in to add a bit of pace and Gibson hopefully a bit of guile. He needs to drop Howard, Alcaraz, Naismith and Barry on Sunday, if he persists with those 4 until the end of the season then I do not blame every fan that calls for his head, for he will have brought it on himself.
I would still have to give him until October, unless the same mistakes and calamities persist until the end of the season.
This is really his final watershed.
He has been living on the grace of last season now for 7 months.
If we could see some light and the same problems not being repeated consistently, I am sure 99% of the people who want him out would give him a bit more time.
But, he is making a rod for his own back every time he sends a side onto the park and then opens his mouth afterwards.
Don't let the stupidity of a certain poster on here grind you down and make you dislike Martinez. He has had 1 fantastic season and 1 appalling season. On the strength of that most of us would give him one more chance.
It really starts on Sunday for me and then how we perform in the last 1/4 of the season. I still think even though last night even though we made some defensive howlers, I always felt we were in the game.
Barkley looked good again, Lukaku is playing great, Lennon will come back in to add a bit of pace and Gibson hopefully a bit of guile. He needs to drop Howard, Alcaraz, Naismith and Barry on Sunday, if he persists with those 4 until the end of the season then I do not blame every fan that calls for his head, for he will have brought it on himself.
ijjysmith
Calm
I'd put money on Howard and Naismith starting on Sunday mate. And Barry would too if he wasn't suspended.
Horrible isn't it?
The fact remains that he did well in his first season, playing a certain way with certain tactics
This season, he's done exactly the same and we've had a bad season because he's been tactically sussed out
The issue is not whether he can organise a defence as such, because we finished 5th last year and had a reasonable defensive record
The issue is whether he is prepared or even capable to adapt and change
We go into next season with the same tactics then we'll get the same results
He needs to realise that we just don't have the money on offer for him to get the type of players he wants to play the style of football he wants at this club
He needs to find a strategy to fit the players he currently has at his disposal. It's why Wigan eventually went down and why we're currently in the miss we're in
He needs to take ownership of his tactical weaknesses and failings, which as of yet he hasn't done
His stubborness is incredibly galling
Still though, if we stay up I will be fine with him staying on for at least the start of 15/16
Ultimately, it doesn't matter what I think because, as already mentioned, there's no way we'd sack him. He's here until he wants to leave
This season, he's done exactly the same and we've had a bad season because he's been tactically sussed out
The issue is not whether he can organise a defence as such, because we finished 5th last year and had a reasonable defensive record
The issue is whether he is prepared or even capable to adapt and change
We go into next season with the same tactics then we'll get the same results
He needs to realise that we just don't have the money on offer for him to get the type of players he wants to play the style of football he wants at this club
He needs to find a strategy to fit the players he currently has at his disposal. It's why Wigan eventually went down and why we're currently in the miss we're in
He needs to take ownership of his tactical weaknesses and failings, which as of yet he hasn't done
His stubborness is incredibly galling
Still though, if we stay up I will be fine with him staying on for at least the start of 15/16
Ultimately, it doesn't matter what I think because, as already mentioned, there's no way we'd sack him. He's here until he wants to leave
marty mcfly
Player Valuation: £40m
That's a fair reasonable position and should be the position of everyone. He has a target of 10th in the league and if he fails he should be gone.
Our squad is easily good enough to haul back 8 points from a West Ham team in free fall.
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Big Fat Sam
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I just want the cart gone.
Completely ruined us and put us back YEARS in the space of 12 months. His inability to publicly recognise his failings has been laughable, continiously praising his squad despite an absolutely appalling season.
We won't be in europe any time soon, and we'll now very likely see an exodus of our best players as they'll want a club with ambition (we won't be spending in the summer) and european football (lol 15th place finish).
That was a Moyes-style bottle job last night.
Just don't know who I'd have in Martinez's place.
Completely ruined us and put us back YEARS in the space of 12 months. His inability to publicly recognise his failings has been laughable, continiously praising his squad despite an absolutely appalling season.
We won't be in europe any time soon, and we'll now very likely see an exodus of our best players as they'll want a club with ambition (we won't be spending in the summer) and european football (lol 15th place finish).
That was a Moyes-style bottle job last night.
Just don't know who I'd have in Martinez's place.
ijjysmith
Calm
He hasn't done exactly the same thing though has he mate?
He's made terrible decisions constantly. Last season he was praised for making great decisions.
I don't know. I just really hate our manager at the moment, but want him to succeed as that means Everton are doing well.
By god I'm blue
Banned at own request
Yep, we have expected him to do the right thing now for weeks, but he keeps on keeping on like a blind fool.
ijjysmith
Calm
The Howard thing really irked me.
There was no reason for him to come back in like that. None at all.
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