Martinez Sentiment Poll: In or Out

[hktoffee]

Not much different from the Moyes era. A really good season (without a trophy) followed by a dreadful one. Hammered in the last 16 of the Europa League to a team with no hope of winning it. Bottling it at the crunch moments. Playing for draws in the derby.

Only difference is Moyes was perpetually negative and Martinez can't set up a defence.

We stuck with Moyes after 2004 and 2006 though so will stick with Martinez now. We're not going to be in for the top range of manager. He needs to put it right next season though.

Only Martinez has much more money to spend than Moyes and he has a good top six team from the start.

 

[marty mcfly]

Hahahahaaha - good one.

It must of been the sheer amount of goals but I can only remember the world class goal that they scored and no major mistakes in the 2nd half.

However by then I was too depressed to really give a [Poor language removed] so I can't say I was concentrating too hard.

 

[maccavennie]

The only thing I can think is that he didn't think Stones was up to it either physically or mentally and had no-one else.

In fairness Alcaraz wasn't bad in the 2nd half and even in the first half. Alcaraz was awful but Jags, Coleman, Banes and Barry where no better. Their whole team just walked through us or hit it long.

Everton mentality perhaps. We are a team that seems to fluff their lines when it matters.

The only time Alcaraz was decent mate was when he was moved 60 yards away from our goal and was playing an Aiden McGeady type role as a right wing forward. He was awful. Atrocious. Laboured. Shocking. Clueless. As bad as your likely to see. Your right about the other players but there's no way Alcaraz was anything but a disaster last night

 

[Azza]

I tell you now, but without massive money being spent, which we won't happen as we don't have it, we won't see any European football at Goodison for quite some time.

 

[marty mcfly]

Martinez and Rodgers play very similar football, the difference is how each reacts to bad form. Martinez sticks to it, Rodgers changes it.

They don't play even remotely the same way.

Rodgers plays a high pressing, direct pacy game that looks to play both on offense and defense in the other team's half.

Martinez doesn't press, and plays a patient build up possession game which results in playing the game in our half.

Pochitino plays a similar game to Rodgers however Rodgers style is far more aggressive as he essentially tries to bully teams.

 

[ijjysmith]

It must of been the sheer amount of goals but I can only remember the world class goal that they scored and no major mistakes in the 2nd half.

However by then I was too depressed to really give a [Poor language removed] so I can't say I was concentrating too hard.

Imagine we had a League 2 reserve defender playing. That was him.

Then imagine we had Stones on the bench and him not coming on. That was us.

 

[willo30]

Lads need to calm down.

We are only 7 or 8 players away from having the team suitable to play the RM style.
If they will leave Barcelona.

Barcelona don't even play the Barcelona way any more as it no longer works.

Remember a while ago Martinez said we just need to be better at what we do which is baffling. Terry Venables once wrote about this where he said if you keep practicing the wrong things to get better then you are only going to get better at doing it wrong. Has some truth to it. He was basically saying that if it's not working then no amount of practicing is going to make it work and it needs to be changed. It's called evolving and if Bobby can't see that Barcelona have moved on from the tippy tappy style from a few years ago then he should go.

 

[marty mcfly]

The only time Alcaraz was decent mate was when he was moved 60 yards away from our goal and was playing an Aiden McGeady type role as a right wing forward. He was awful. Atrocious. Laboured. Shocking. Clueless. As bad as your likely to see. Your right about the other players but there's no way Alcaraz was anything but a disaster last night

I said he was awful and after the 2nd goal was calling for him to be taken off.

However we're blaming one player which I think is both unfair and lets the others players and managers off with what I think was a shocking display by everyone except for Barkley and Lukaku.

Even Lukaku in the 2nd half started doing a Mirallas and was looking to do it all on his own - which is not a good sign if we hope to hold on to him.

 

[technojoe]

Had enough of this defensive madness. Out.

 

[marty mcfly]

After a nights sleep in me, I'm still not on the Martinez Out train yet, but I'm sticking by my stance that if we get relegated, I want him gone

He's on a lot of money for a second tier manager and his tactics would be easily countered in The Championship, especially when you consider our best players would either leave/be sold

If we stay up, I'll wait and see how we do in the first few months of the new season

I think that's reasonably fair

He would be the first manager to get us relegated in over 60 years with the best squad in 20 years and you would sack him then?

He would be lucky to get out of the city alive.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I tell you now, but without massive money being spent, which we won't happen as we don't have it, we won't see any European football at Goodison for quite some time.

Any half decent manager could steer us into Europa any season. Would have qualified in Moyes' last two seasons if it wasn't for freak cup wins from Swansea, Liverpool (then finished outside the places!) and Wigan. Top 7 should be the minimum for us and most seasobs that is europe.

 

[marty mcfly]

I tell you now, but without massive money being spent, which we won't happen as we don't have it, we won't see any European football at Goodison for quite some time.

That's the reason why we should use the TV money now while it is available to build the stadium.

We aren't going to win anything or even qualify for Europe for the next 3 years. We can't come close to the top 6's spending and unlike in previous years they all have decent managers and look to be heading in the right direction.

We would be best hiring someone like Hughes who doesn't play awful football but is pragmatic and still is a name in world football to essentially keep us mid-table for that time and bring in or through youngsters that could make a mark in 3 or 4 years.

I know it's not what people want to hear but this season the Europa League and getting CL was the only real shot we had of both holding on to these young players for the long term and getting the stadium built.

What's the point of holding on to them and finishing 7th only to sell them in 3 years time.

 

[orly]

We could at some point next season line up with Alcaraz, Barry, Kone, McGeady and Cleverly in the same side.

I've not even factored in my personal bette noire Ostosh.

*cries*

 

[larrygobfiend]

WE WON DA LAST IN YOURUP CUP THO BOYZ

 

[marty mcfly]

Any half decent manager could steer us into Europa any season. Would have qualified in Moyes' last two seasons if it wasn't for freak cup wins from Swansea, Liverpool (then finished outside the places!) and Wigan. Top 7 should be the minimum for us and most seasobs that is europe.

It's different now.

In the past on of Spurs, Liverpool where guaranteed to have an off season.

However with their teams and managers I can't see that happening and with City now also in the top 6 it's just almost impossible for us.

We're essentially fighting for 7th with the likes of Swansea and Southampton and if one of those teams above doesn't win both cups then 7th isn't even good enough.

However those times in the top 6 are all spending money to get into the CL. Not all of them will do that and it will destabilize the top 6 so in a couple of years if we are in a financially better position we might be able to break back in.