Martinez Sentiment Poll: In or Out

[nsno-chris]

Wrong.


And also with the better calibre of player he has, the bigger the egos he has to deal with, on that point its took him 6 months to deal with that it seems

Well what else is there?? Media attention and more expectations from fans.

And he managed the egos perfectly well last year didn't he??

 

[eddy]

You're missing my point about Walker.

You mentioning Howe because he happens to be the latest manager in the spotlight, is carbon copy of a Mike Walker who took hold of an average Norwich City side (on paper) and dragged them to a 3rd place finish and had them going to the likes of Bayern Munich and winning. Like Howe is now, Walker was then.... People noticed what he was doing at Norwich and for a while it was genius. I for one was incredibly excited when we brought Walker here. Turns out he was a lazy tit and couldn't even be bothered to attend training, had not a clue how to address his team and cared more about his tan lines.

I'm swaying towards a Martinez exit as we stand today but he isn't going, he won't be fired unless we are relegated and so we must get on with it.

I can relate a couple of points above to Martinez though. I think he is arrogant and stubborn, his man management appears to be awful. That said he seems to be a nice bloke who is just completely out of his depth. I really fear for the club if we cant replace him in the summer. I hope Bills lawyers were smart enough to place clauses in his contract, I hope we can move him on to somewere more suitable, Brentford, Marine, etc with a small payoff.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

For me his way of playing is this slow tippy tappy cack which does not work and he has said he won't change.

I guess there's still a hope that he'll show some flexibility

You'd hope that if he faces continued scrutiny that he might finally do so

At Wigan, there was probably less pressure on him to adapt. At Everton, you'd think eventually it'll reach a breaking point whereby he finally changes things or decides to leave and go elsewhere

 

[nsno-chris]

simply put, your been found our in some extent, and that doestn only mean managers tactics.
anyways, for me this season has also been unlucky concerning injuries and you just cant forget the mutiny that occurred.
if you want to know more about that go to the library. theres a book called "Moists Disciples - The Mutiny"

cant wait when martinez gives the boot to several players....and brings the new ones in. new beginning.

you should look up the actual term second of season syndrome to identify where it's used and the justification of it. Being found out is what would happen on a weekly basis seeing as these managers have scouts who identify weaknesses and patterns of play

Another remarkable attempt to shield the obvious

Oh yeah the mutiny

Made up on this forum to justify appalling performances and decisions by the manager


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[eddy]

I guess there's still a hope that he'll show some flexibility

You'd hope that if he faces continued scrutiny that he might finally do so

At Wigan, there was probably less pressure on him to adapt. At Everton, you'd think eventually it'll reach a breaking point whereby he finally changes things or decides to leave and go elsewhere

We can hope but I just can`t see it happening. He seems obsessed with changing the way football is played in the premier league. He just does not get it that every team has us worked out and he offers no plan b ... dead man walking... be another o`leary, career as a tv pundit!

 

[daz4matty]

Worked perfectly fine last year, confidence makes a world of difference in that style and this year most of the players have been devoid of it, plus a few of the older experienced lads have badly let us down

It worked last season because teams didn't know we would play that way,now they do they stop us and he has no answer.
If he won't find another way we are screwed.
Confidence can not be blamed all season either after some of the europa games confidence would have been sky high.
The players are good enough to play the way he wants its just been noticed by every club in the prem and martinez won't change it

 

[sageyefc]

Well what else is there?? Media attention and more expectations from fans.

And he managed the egos perfectly well last year didn't he??

Its easy when things are going well

 

[TheFinnFan]

you should look up the actual term second of season syndrome to identify where it's used and the justification of it. Being found out is what would happen on a weekly basis seeing as these managers have scouts who identify weaknesses and patterns of play

Another remarkable attempt to shield the obvious

Oh yeah the mutiny

Made up on this forum to justify appalling performances and decisions by the manager


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[davek]

i) you sure?

you really really sure??

That out of all the opinions on here and other places, different methods and formations, from the Moyes end of the spectrum - to the Martinez spectrum end, that yours alone is the one true Jerusalem, the ONLY way to play football.
and that is that, for ever and ever, amen.
That your and Roberto's joint, my way or the highway...oh and btw, there's no highway option, is the only way; Is, over the years, going to win us more games than we lose...which it isn't doing at the moment

ii) that's not what I said, I didn't mention going back to hoofball ala Moyes, what i mean is taking the best bits of Moyes...and there were some and the best bits of Martinez and there are some and thus finding a middle ground where you pick and mix what and how we play as the circumstances dictate.

iia) Fill in a proverb of your choice along the lines of , cutting your suit according to you cloth... silk purses etc.
Trouble is silk purses cost.

iii) Moyes and Martinez, have and are, proved and proving themselves to be, in different ways just as inflexible as each other...that's the bad side of them

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Hence the Goldilocks option...not too much Moyes ( of the inflexible type ) and not too much Martinez ( of the just as inflexible type )

There's a spectrum of the way to play football, yes. But here's what would happen to any manager coming and taking up some *half-way house* position who tries to "mix it up": the defeats would be blamed on not releasing the ball quickly or directly enough; the victories would be attributed to getting the ball forward and putting the opposition under (as per the Moyes era).

Make no mistake: if there was a step back away from emphasising controlling the ball in a game it'd soon turn into a massive retreat to the comfort zone of booting it long...and then some would even reserve the right to complain about hoofball...even though they'd have abandoned a manager who was the best hope to get away from that type of style.

Never underestimate the full effect of the Moyes era on this football organisation: he basically created an identity that dominated the true traditions of Everton as a ball playing team and made THAT style its signature. The fact that many of those who grew up under Moyes time here want the safety net of that game plan back as soon as Martinez hit bumps in the road is of no surprise whatsoever.

We get rid of Martinez in the short term and we will fall back into old ways. There is nothing surer than that, because the board would be looking to cave in to those desires for a route one manager for an easy life.

 

[daz4matty]

But we have also seen that when the players click into Martinez's system then we are an exciting and very good team. He has now seen both sides of the spectrum and its how he deals with finding the right balance next season that will put him firmly in the managers seat or looking at the exit door.

They clicked last season and it worked because it surprised teams.
This season though clubs no how to play us and we have not adapted its been easy for them.
What i am saying is if martinez won't change we will be in the same position next year.

 

[BigDuncis Blue]

For those of you who want to keep martinez what exactly is his vision?
For me his way of playing is this slow tippy tappy cack which does not work and he has said he won't change.
So to give him next season what can he do to make it work the only thing i can think of is buying the barcelona team,i don't get why people would give him another season we have nothing to gain.
The last 6 seasons he has had 5 relegation fights that is him

Agreed. So we give him another season, what will change.....absolutely nothing. Hes had all this season to do it different. If we had a decent board, he would be gone this week and give the new manager a running start for next season, I would do what ever it takes and what ever it costs to get Billic

 

[sageyefc]

It worked last season because teams didn't know we would play that way,now they do they stop us and he has no answer.
If he won't find another way we are screwed.
Confidence can not be blamed all season either after some of the europa games confidence would have been sky high.
The players are good enough to play the way he wants its just been noticed by every club in the prem and martinez won't change it

I agree to a point on the teams have starting setting up differently.

The role of confidence cant be underestimated, players taking extra touches, doubting themselves, heads drop fast. Doesnt matter how well we did in europe either

 

[daz4matty]

Agreed. So we give him another season, what will change.....absolutely nothing. Hes had all this season to do it different. If we had a decent board, he would be gone this week and give the new manager a running start for next season, I would do what ever it takes and what ever it costs to get Billic

Bang on brother but i would like de boer.
The only thing in his favour is the useless board like you say

 

[daz4matty]

I agree to a point on the teams have starting setting up differently.

The role of confidence cant be underestimated, players taking extra touches, doubting themselves, heads drop fast. Doesnt matter how well we did in europe either

The confidence issue can not be blamed all season though its more short term.
Again it comes back to the tactics and how our players don't put many crosses into the box or they don't take the opposition on as much as they should.
Martinez has an obsession about keeping the ball for the sake of it and that must have got to the players.

 

[Bally1960]

Wish some people would drop Moyes get sick of hearing about him ffs. What I will say about moyes is he got us higher in the table than martinez has, built us a solid team on less cash martinez has had and turned this club around from the mess we were in.

Martinez is a poor manager this has been proven at wigan and this season. Pardew finished 5th with Newcastle still means he's pap