Martinez Sentiment Poll: In or Out

[Khalekan]

No.

Everton fans means diddly squat. If that was the case then get Reidy in! Not.

Bill is the Everton fan's Everton fan....

 

[orly]

What does second season syndrome mean in your opinion.

I know what it means when it's applied to certain teams, not ones who constantly finish in the top 8 year after year

He's been in the Premier league for 6 years, 5 of them years are replica of this, last season was the only difference in his entire history of management in the top flight.

With the same number of English trophies as Alex McLeish

 

[Woolly Blue]

i) you sure?

you really really sure??

That out of all the opinions on here and other places, different methods and formations, from the Moyes end of the spectrum - to the Martinez spectrum end, that yours alone is the one true Jerusalem, the ONLY way to play football.
and that is that, for ever and ever, amen.
That your and Roberto's joint, my way or the highway...oh and btw, there's no highway option, is the only way; Is, over the years, going to win us more games than we lose...which it isn't doing at the moment

ii) that's not what I said, I didn't mention going back to hoofball ala Moyes, what i mean is taking the best bits of Moyes...and there were some and the best bits of Martinez and there are some and thus finding a middle ground where you pick and mix what and how we play as the circumstances dictate.

iia) Fill in a proverb of your choice along the lines of , cutting your suit according to you cloth... silk purses etc.
Trouble is silk purses cost.

iii) Moyes and Martinez, have and are, proved and proving themselves to be, in different ways just as inflexible as each other...that's the bad side of them

iv)
Hence the Goldilocks option...not too much Moyes ( of the inflexible type ) and not too much Martinez ( of the just as inflexible type )

Good post, it's easy to forget the good things that both Moyes and Martinez have done.

To put it simply, if Martinez doesn't learn from his mistakes this season and up his game on organising the defensive part of the team then he's likely to be out of a job at the end of 2015/16.

It's not rocket science to sort out our defence.

1. Stop dropping back to defend an imaginary 25 yard line. Challenge and harry further up the pitch.

2. Keeper needs to inspire confidence that he can deal with long balls coming into the area so that defenders don't drop so far back

3. While I don't want to see our strikers tracking back all the way back to our penalty area, they should only stop tracking back when someone else has taken over the job. Lukaku's plainly under instructions not to get too deep into our own half and so often stops tracking his man just our side of the half way line, leaving teams with acres of space to play in. One of our midfielders needs to cover that.

 

[daz4matty]

For those of you who want to keep martinez what exactly is his vision?
For me his way of playing is this slow tippy tappy cack which does not work and he has said he won't change.
So to give him next season what can he do to make it work the only thing i can think of is buying the barcelona team,i don't get why people would give him another season we have nothing to gain.
The last 6 seasons he has had 5 relegation fights that is him

 

[sageyefc]

What does second season syndrome mean in your opinion.

I know what it means when it's applied to certain teams, not ones who constantly finish in the top 8 year after year

He's been in the Premier league for 6 years, 5 of them years are replica of this, last season was the only difference in his entire history of management in the top flight.

TBF with respect to wigan and sawnsea, everton are on an entire different scale to them teams and its a new learning curve for him

 

[nsno-chris]

TBF with respect to wigan and sawnsea, everton are on an entire different scale to them teams and its a new learning curve for him

The only difference is the media attention.

He still coaches people, picks formations and tactics and transfers, makes in game changes and scouts opponents.

Oh, and he has a better calibre of player at his disposal.

 

[sageyefc]

For those of you who want to keep martinez what exactly is his vision?
For me his way of playing is this slow tippy tappy cack which does not work and he has said he won't change.
So to give him next season what can he do to make it work the only thing i can think of is buying the barcelona team,i don't get why people would give him another season we have nothing to gain.
The last 6 seasons he has had 5 relegation fights that is him

Worked perfectly fine last year, confidence makes a world of difference in that style and this year most of the players have been devoid of it, plus a few of the older experienced lads have badly let us down

 

[sageyefc]

The only difference is the media attention.

He still coaches people, picks formations and tactics and transfers, makes in game changes and scouts opponents.

Oh, and he has a better calibre of player at his disposal.

Wrong.


And also with the better calibre of player he has, the bigger the egos he has to deal with, on that point its took him 6 months to deal with that it seems

 

[Robocop]

We have players who should be shown the door: We know who they are without my mentioning them. So this will be Martinez's first task in June. Let's see how he takes to this task. Some big key decisions have to be made and this will be vital for him to do so to get off on the right foot.

 

[LiamKelly1878]

I say keep him, keep the faith.
It may have already been said in one of the previous 145 pages, but I am not going to look at each page.

Things look bad now, but after David Moyes kept us up in his first season. He then guided is to a 7th place finish, and many would have thought. This guy is the one... And look what he turned us into.
His second full season... 17th place. 6 points from relegation, you could call it 'Second season syndrome' Similar to some of our players now, John Stones and Ross Barkley two of our most important players.
Last season was theit first full season in the prem. They will learn from this and become better.
It has been a season to forget, we can all agree. But the squad and Martinez need to take it as a season to remember. Remember not to be as bad as this season!

A clear out is needed, Distin and Alcaraz are using wages we could use on someone else. I love Pienaar but he just can't stay fit. I would like to see Biabiany from Parma. With Parma gone bankrupt we will be able to get him on the cheap.

 

[blue4eva77]

The fact is we are going to have a new manager, regardless if some like it or not. My point is to start looking now. Martinez has had far, far superior players to what Walker had, yet he fails week in and week out to get them playing to their strengths. The players look uncomfortable whilst on the pitch, the selection is odd, the whole thing reeks of a manager on his last legs who has lost the players. This is not knee jerk I was saying this towards the end of last season, we threw 4th place away, something happened then and it has not been fixed, this `positivity self-help guru` has no way of fixing it. Out of his depth is and understatement. He seems to be a nice guy and we took a huge gamble on him, in hindsight it was reckless by the board to appoint a manager who had taken his team down. I would prefer we take our time this time and get it right

You're missing my point about Walker.

You mentioning Howe because he happens to be the latest manager in the spotlight, is carbon copy of a Mike Walker who took hold of an average Norwich City side (on paper) and dragged them to a 3rd place finish and had them going to the likes of Bayern Munich and winning. Like Howe is now, Walker was then.... People noticed what he was doing at Norwich and for a while it was genius. I for one was incredibly excited when we brought Walker here. Turns out he was a lazy tit and couldn't even be bothered to attend training, had not a clue how to address his team and cared more about his tan lines.

I'm swaying towards a Martinez exit as we stand today but he isn't going, he won't be fired unless we are relegated and so we must get on with it.

 

[TheFinnFan]

What does second season syndrome mean in your opinion.

I know what it means when it's applied to certain teams, not ones who constantly finish in the top 8 year after year

He's been in the Premier league for 6 years, 5 of them years are replica of this, last season was the only difference in his entire history of management in the top flight.

simply put, your been found our in some extent, and that doestn only mean managers tactics.
anyways, for me this season has also been unlucky concerning injuries and you just cant forget the mutiny that occurred.
if you want to know more about that go to the library. theres a book called "Moists Disciples - The Mutiny"

cant wait when martinez gives the boot to several players....and brings the new ones in. new beginning.

 

[banno]

Good post, it's easy to forget the good things that both Moyes and Martinez have done.

To put it simply, if Martinez doesn't learn from his mistakes this season and up his game on organising the defensive part of the team then he's likely to be out of a job at the end of 2015/16.

It's not rocket science to sort out our defence.

1. Stop dropping back to defend an imaginary 25 yard line. Challenge and harry further up the pitch.

2. Keeper needs to inspire confidence that he can deal with long balls coming into the area so that defenders don't drop so far back

3. While I don't want to see out strikers tracking back all the way back to our penalty area, they should only stop tracking back when someone else has taken over the job. Lukaku's plainly under instructions not to get too deep into our own half and so often stops tracking his man just our side of the half way line, leaving teams with acres of space to play in. One of our midfielders needs to cover that.

Excellent points. Point 1 is the problem I have seen all season and I think is the crux of our problems. Too much time is allowed for the opposition to think and execute. In simplistic terms we are allowing them to have a go at creating a chance rather than nipping it the bud earlier. We are absolutely awful off the ball and we are paying the price. Point 2 and 3 are spot on also.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

We'll see what he does in the summer

A new CB is certainly a must

If he decides to persist with Alcaraz, then I worry for us

Distin will almost surely be out the door

He'll need to likely buy a new CB while also promoting one of the youngsters

Hopefully, he spots a decent buy

Get to safety this season, see what he does in summer and then we can see where we are

 

[banno]

For those of you who want to keep martinez what exactly is his vision?
For me his way of playing is this slow tippy tappy cack which does not work and he has said he won't change.
So to give him next season what can he do to make it work the only thing i can think of is buying the barcelona team,i don't get why people would give him another season we have nothing to gain.
The last 6 seasons he has had 5 relegation fights that is him

But we have also seen that when the players click into Martinez's system then we are an exciting and very good team. He has now seen both sides of the spectrum and its how he deals with finding the right balance next season that will put him firmly in the managers seat or looking at the exit door.