TheFinnFan
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dont you guys forget this.
No.
Everton fans means diddly squat. If that was the case then get Reidy in! Not.
blue4eva77
Yarmolenko ? Yes please
... and so why mention Howe ? Flavour of the month, unbeaten for a while ? Football doesn't work like that and certainly not the mangerial position either. A certain Mike Walker springs to mind. Walker who with Norwich the season before joining our club had them playing some wonderful and refreshing stuff, with players who were hardly household names.
sageyefc
Player Valuation: £90m
Too much of a gamble, hes just the newest kid on the block getting bigged up, there'll be someone else in a few months
David Smith
Player Valuation: Free Transfer
Seamus Colemole
Previously deathbyropeandglass
I asked Dave the other day what this actually was and all i got was a list of things that can happen to any manager and team at any time, it was more like bad season syndrome than second season.
So can you tell me exactly what second season syndrome is and how it applies to us? Simply having a bad season that happens to be Martinezs second doesn't mean it's because of any kind of syndrome.
The big difference in Howe and Martinez is that Martinez took a team down Howe looks like he may take a team up.
orly
Please check with me for Blammo criteria
Someone one here once said "if Wigan had only won 7 more games they would have been in the top 8" lol
The fact is we are going to have a new manager, regardless if some like it or not. My point is to start looking now. Martinez has had far, far superior players to what Walker had, yet he fails week in and week out to get them playing to their strengths. The players look uncomfortable whilst on the pitch, the selection is odd, the whole thing reeks of a manager on his last legs who has lost the players. This is not knee jerk I was saying this towards the end of last season, we threw 4th place away, something happened then and it has not been fixed, this `positivity self-help guru` has no way of fixing it. Out of his depth is and understatement. He seems to be a nice guy and we took a huge gamble on him, in hindsight it was reckless by the board to appoint a manager who had taken his team down. I would prefer we take our time this time and get it right
Let's see how well he does if he comes up as the Premiership is different to the Championship mate. In fact, we can start by looking a bit closer today as their game has just kicked off against Middlesbrough and this is a massive game for Bournemouth
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
A number of us were saying at the beginning of the season that this was a 'transitional' year and we'd expect a mid-table finish. The reason being that a lot of the players were a year older and potentially the younger players may have 'second season syndrome'. Also that Martinez would continue to mould the squad into his 'vision'.
It's interesting to look at the timeframe now with Martinez almost having had 2 seasons in charge. If we fast forward 2-3 seasons, which players could potentially be in the 1st team squad (I've highlighted the ones I believe may be there).
GK - Howard / Robles / Griffiths / Stanek
RB - Coleman / Hibbert / Jones / Pennington / Kenny
LB - Baines / Oviedo / Garbutt
CB - Jagielka / Distin / Alcaraz / Stones / Browning / Galloway
CM - McCarthy / Gibson / Besic / Barry / Ledson / Lundstram
AM - Barkley / Junior / Naismith / Osman
WM - McGeady / Mirallas / Atsu / Lennon / Pienaar / Dowell /Grant
ST - Lukaku / Kone / Long / Byrne / McAleny
At this moment in time we can possibly put these players into these 2 brackets of who we would expect to be a starter and those who we reserve judgement on (using Martinez current formation);
GK - ?
RB - Coleman
LB - Garbutt
CB - Stones
CB - ?
CM - McCarthy
CM - Besic
AM - Barkley
WM - ?
WM - ?
ST - Lukaku
Griffiths / Jones / Pennington / Kenny / Oviedo /Browning / Galloway / Ledson / Dowell / Grant / Long
Successful sides need continuity, in the 'potential' side, 3/7 players were bought by Martinez, so it appears he is addressing this issue whilst also bringing in 'stopgaps' who have clearly not worked out.
Over the next 2-3 years we need to either fill the 4 open positions with new-signings or youth. In addition we need to have a squad.
It's clear that if Howard, Distin, Barry and Mirallas had performed this season to the standards of last season we would be in a different position. It seems he was hoping that Distin and Barry performing would enable Galloway and Ledson some time to come through.
I think he should have the summer to get rid of a lot of players and bring in some quality additions to compliment the 7 above. I think after the summer we will see him stick to his principles and vision of the football style but will have gone out and brought in players who compliment this rather than those who were more suited to Moyes style.
Lets judge him when he has his own side, not Moyes side with stopgaps and 3 'real' signings of his own.
It's interesting to look at the timeframe now with Martinez almost having had 2 seasons in charge. If we fast forward 2-3 seasons, which players could potentially be in the 1st team squad (I've highlighted the ones I believe may be there).
GK - Howard / Robles / Griffiths / Stanek
RB - Coleman / Hibbert / Jones / Pennington / Kenny
LB - Baines / Oviedo / Garbutt
CB - Jagielka / Distin / Alcaraz / Stones / Browning / Galloway
CM - McCarthy / Gibson / Besic / Barry / Ledson / Lundstram
AM - Barkley / Junior / Naismith / Osman
WM - McGeady / Mirallas / Atsu / Lennon / Pienaar / Dowell /Grant
ST - Lukaku / Kone / Long / Byrne / McAleny
At this moment in time we can possibly put these players into these 2 brackets of who we would expect to be a starter and those who we reserve judgement on (using Martinez current formation);
GK - ?
RB - Coleman
LB - Garbutt
CB - Stones
CB - ?
CM - McCarthy
CM - Besic
AM - Barkley
WM - ?
WM - ?
ST - Lukaku
Griffiths / Jones / Pennington / Kenny / Oviedo /Browning / Galloway / Ledson / Dowell / Grant / Long
Successful sides need continuity, in the 'potential' side, 3/7 players were bought by Martinez, so it appears he is addressing this issue whilst also bringing in 'stopgaps' who have clearly not worked out.
Over the next 2-3 years we need to either fill the 4 open positions with new-signings or youth. In addition we need to have a squad.
It's clear that if Howard, Distin, Barry and Mirallas had performed this season to the standards of last season we would be in a different position. It seems he was hoping that Distin and Barry performing would enable Galloway and Ledson some time to come through.
I think he should have the summer to get rid of a lot of players and bring in some quality additions to compliment the 7 above. I think after the summer we will see him stick to his principles and vision of the football style but will have gone out and brought in players who compliment this rather than those who were more suited to Moyes style.
Lets judge him when he has his own side, not Moyes side with stopgaps and 3 'real' signings of his own.
orly
Please check with me for Blammo criteria
But Mick, he'd be bringing Bournemouth up and competing in the PL on a far smaller budget that Martinez has here at the blues
What does second season syndrome mean in your opinion.
I know what it means when it's applied to certain teams, not ones who constantly finish in the top 8 year after year
He's been in the Premier league for 6 years, 5 of them years are replica of this, last season was the only difference in his entire history of management in the top flight.
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