Match Thread Manchester City(1) Vs Everton(2) - Capital One Cup - Semi Final 2nd Leg - Weds 27th Jan - 19:45 KO

[Eggs]

Del comes off alot, doesn't seem like he can do 90 minutes

.....in the circumstances I would've left him on. Tired or not he only needs a half yard to create a chance and creativity is what we needed.

 

[streeky]

I thought it was the right call to take Gerry off, the defenders where getting to the ball first ,his hold up play got very bad second half and we couldn't get out.

 

[USABlue]

.....in the circumstances I would've left him on. Tired or not he only needs a half yard to create a chance and creativity is what we needed.

True but then the worry is his hamstring goes and we lose him for a month

 

[Old Blue 2]

Can't agree on that decision mate. Atkinson was up with the play. You could see it straight away, at full speed when it happened, watching on a crappy stream, that it had gone out. He was 18 yards away. It was a terrible decision that swung the game.

And all due respect, sunday league and a semi-final between two sides in the suposed best league in the world. As with the Chelsea game, and even when City should have got the penalty, it's safe to say the officiating (bar Oliver, who is a great ref, and Clattenburg unless he's onto his ego-trip he has every few games) isn't up to scratch.

Even at 18 yards distance it is very difficult to tell, looking straight on at it (as the ref had to do), whether a ball has fully crossed the line or not on a flat surface. It's fine being a living room ref and seeing instant replays - that is something the ref does NOT have on the pitch (more's the pity).

Never mind any respect or otherwise (that phrase is always a put-down!), the principles are the same at ANY level. Instant decision on a whole host of issues in every game. That will never change, ay any level, including kid's under-10s football!

I do agree with you regarding certain decisions that are total stick-ons, such as Coleman being upended in the Stoke game, Sterling in the away league game, and Terry's last second goal, which even a half-competent linesman would have spotted. We are still WAY behind the likes of cricket and rugby in using technology to help the officials arrive at the correct decisions, and that is to be lamented, and to some great degree the blame for the inertia in catching up with other sports should be placed at the door of Blatter and his ilk in FIFA...

 

[ElGato]

I hate refs. Another game, another shocker

 

[BlueToff]

Even at 18 yards distance it is very difficult to tell, looking straight on at it (as the ref had to do), whether a ball has fully crossed the line or not on a flat surface. It's fine being a living room ref and seeing instant replays - that is something the ref does NOT have on the pitch (more's the pity).

Never mind any respect or otherwise (that phrase is always a put-down!), the principles are the same at ANY level. Instant decision on a whole host of issues in every game. That will never change, ay any level, including kid's under-10s football!

I do agree with you regarding certain decisions that are total stick-ons, such as Coleman being upended in the Stoke game, Sterling in the away league game, and Terry's last second goal, which even a half-competent linesman would have spotted. We are still WAY behind the likes of cricket and rugby in using technology to help the officials arrive at the correct decisions, and that is to be lamented, and to some great degree the blame for the inertia in catching up with other sports should be placed at the door of Blatter and his ilk in FIFA...

But I could see it straight off mate - at full pace - didn't need a replay. Atkinson is a very well paid professional.

The standard is so bad at the top level in this country at the moment. The ref's either need help, or replacing... It's literally one decision that could cost millions of £££...

Also, there's a picture Orly put on the Cleverley thread I suggest you look at. Lino is right in position to make the call, and Atkinson, whatever you're telling me, should also be able to tell from 18 yards that a yellow ball has crossed a white line, by quite a distance.

 

[ijjysmith]

True but then the worry is his hamstring goes and we lose him for a month

Could go back to the management again. Been here months and still not fully match fit?

STINKS

 

[BlueToff]

Even at 18 yards distance it is very difficult to tell, looking straight on at it (as the ref had to do), whether a ball has fully crossed the line or not on a flat surface. It's fine being a living room ref and seeing instant replays - that is something the ref does NOT have on the pitch (more's the pity).

Never mind any respect or otherwise (that phrase is always a put-down!), the principles are the same at ANY level. Instant decision on a whole host of issues in every game. That will never change, ay any level, including kid's under-10s football!

I do agree with you regarding certain decisions that are total stick-ons, such as Coleman being upended in the Stoke game, Sterling in the away league game, and Terry's last second goal, which even a half-competent linesman would have spotted. We are still WAY behind the likes of cricket and rugby in using technology to help the officials arrive at the correct decisions, and that is to be lamented, and to some great degree the blame for the inertia in catching up with other sports should be placed at the door of Blatter and his ilk in FIFA...

Lino has a clear line of site mate - nothing in his way there at all, as Stones' leg is up. Atkinson, though slightly more obstructed, is also well placed and should be able to see.

Dreadful

(though it doesn't excuse the sloppy marking, the goal should not have stood. It was a quality cut-back, but it was out of play by half a foot at least)

 

[cityfanrob]

when we went 2-1 down it was literally like we stopped playing and just accepted defeat, we were still well in the game at 2-1 anyway why did we allow our heads to drop so much, thats the time we needed a leader out there

I thought Everton looked less threatening after Martinez made his subs, they kept the ball better but didn't break as quickly. On the flip side that was probably the best that City have played this season, especially the intensity of pressing.

Cracking cup tie, good luck for the rest of the season

 

[Eggs]

True but then the worry is his hamstring goes and we lose him for a month

......a risk worth taking if it gets us the final.

 

[ijjysmith]

For what it's worth (nothing now OBVS), but I was going to give @chicoazul the final. He does The Derby better than anyone.

And I couldn't take a final away from the good man.

 

[Old Blue 2]

But I could see it straight off mate - at full pace - didn't need a replay. Atkinson is a very well paid professional.

The standard is so bad at the top level in this country at the moment. The ref's either need help, or replacing... It's literally one decision that could cost millions of £££...

Were you at the game? If so, what position? You were NOT in the same position as the ref. THAT is the point I'm making. Go stand on a football pitch at around 20 yards distance from a touchline and then get someone to place a ball so that you cannot see whether he has placed it on or over the line initially. Then turn around and look say whether it is still in play or not. Human vision is such that you will not be able to call it 100% accurate, it will more likely be a guess.

I hate Atkinson for the way he has shat on us over the years, but on this issue, I cannot really say he is culpable of any malice in our direction on this matter, nor any malpractise. That's all. Split second decision on a line call.

 

[ijjysmith]

Lino has a clear line of site mate - nothing in his way there at all, as Stones' leg is up. Atkinson, though slightly more obstructed, is also well placed and should be able to see.

Dreadful

(though it doesn't excuse the sloppy marking, the goal should not have stood. It was a quality cut-back, but it was out of play by half a foot at least)

From where Atkinson is there, he HAS to be able to see it. Has to.

 

[BlueToff]

Were you at the game? If so, what position? You were NOT in the same position as the ref. THAT is the point I'm making. Go stand on a football pitch at around 20 yards distance from a touchline and then get someone to place a ball so that you cannot see whether he has placed it on or over the line initially. Then turn around and look say whether it is still in play or not. Human vision is such that you will not be able to call it 100% accurate, it will more likely be a guess.

I hate Atkinson for the way he has shat on us over the years, but on this issue, I cannot really say he is culpable of any malice in our direction on this matter, nor any malpractise. That's all. Split second decision on a line call.

I normally hate making this argument but I'm not a professional referee. I don't get paid £100,000s a year to officiate games.

He's a professional, as is the linesman, and it's a huge mistake that has cost us big time - just like the one against Chelsea...

I've just said in another thread, penalty decisions I can usually take. They really are down to opinion most of the time. But it's the clear cut ones - the offsides and incidents like last night - that are the horrible ones to take. I can guarantee, had that been one of our lads at the other end, it would have been given out of plays. Hypothetical I know, but I'm pretty certain of it.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Lino has a clear line of site mate - nothing in his way there at all, as Stones' leg is up. Atkinson, though slightly more obstructed, is also well placed and should be able to see.

Dreadful

(though it doesn't excuse the sloppy marking, the goal should not have stood. It was a quality cut-back, but it was out of play by half a foot at least)

No he doesn't! Take a look at what you've posted. He is 6 yards away from the goalline! He has, at best, an angled view from about 40 yards on a flat surface. Atkinson is roughly 19 yards away. The real crime is the space given to those two City players advancing on the central edge of our penalty area. Our defenders guilty of 'ball-watching'...