LUKE GARBUTT

[Guest89]

Let's not rule someone out aged 20. Coleman was 21 before he made his league debut for us, and was in and out of the team for awhile after that. If a player doesn't make it properly till they're 23, 24 it doesn't mean they're not good enough, just means they'll have a 'shorter' career. That only impacts them, not us. They can still be good players for us.

Doesn't even always mean a shorter career either. Depending on the individual, it could mean they don't suffer as many injuries younger and ware themselves out. They may peak later, with greater experience and a greater natural fitness as a result. I mean, Drogba is 2 years older than Owen, Jagielka is only a year younger then Terry and think of when those players had their respective peaks and how long their careers are lasting.

The way football seems to have developed over the last 10 years, it's rarer and rarer you get players under 22/23 playing week in week out. A youngster these days can be anyone up to the age of about 24/25 rather than at the turn of the century when that phrase actually meant 16/17/18.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Another of Moyes youth-to-nothings.

He's represented England at U16, 17, 18, 19 & now 20.

Ok mate x

 

[Guest89]

Another of Moyes youth-to-nothings.

Moyes didn't sign this kid. The academy did.

But even if Moyes did, signing young players was never really a weakness of his, in all honestly, Moyes did well for us in the transfer market with his young buys and potential spots. Moyes being a pr1ck in the media now shouldn't mean we criticise him over everything and anything, it just looks petty and spiteful. It also detracts from his real shortcomings.

 

[bluemangroup]

Moyes didn't sign this kid. The academy did.

But even if Moyes did, signing young players was never really a weakness of his, in all honestly, Moyes did well for us in the transfer market with his young buys and potential spots. Moyes being a pr1ck in the media now shouldn't mean we criticise him over everything and anything, it just looks petty and spiteful. It also detracts from his real shortcomings.

These are good points.

 

[riddick]

Moyes didn't sign this kid. The academy did.

But even if Moyes did, signing young players was never really a weakness of his, in all honestly, Moyes did well for us in the transfer market with his young buys and potential spots. Moyes being a pr1ck in the media now shouldn't mean we criticise him over everything and anything, it just looks petty and spiteful. It also detracts from his real shortcomings.

not being funny, besides Coleman what young buy did Moyes do that turned out well? can't really recall.

 

[Guest89]

not being funny, besides Coleman what young buy did Moyes do that turned out well? can't really recall.

I suppose it depends how you define it. But Cahill, Arteta, Lescott, Baines, Fellaini, even Jagielka were all early 20's when they signed for us with little to show in terms of consistency at our level. That what I mean by his young buys and potential spots.

I think it's very much the case now that young players are either signed young by the academy or for big premiums in their late teens and the only one I remember us signing that fits that description that I imagine Moyes gave the go ahead for in recent times is Stones, who looks to be developing well.

The point I was trying to make was picking young(ish) or inexperienced talent was never really one of Moyes' big faults with us, if anything, spotting potential was one of his biggest assets. I just think snippets and jabs about him like that are unnecessary, especially when there are far more genuine sticks to beat him with like his constant choking on big stages and being too conservative in his approach and not taking chances on some of the up and coming potential he had spotted, in favour of tried and tested averageness.

 

[evilwebby]

I suppose it depends how you define it. But Cahill, Arteta, Lescott, Baines, Fellaini, even Jagielka were all early 20's when they signed for us with little to show in terms of consistency at our level. That what I mean by his young buys and potential spots.
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Gimme a break, these players were all bought as players who could potentially slot right into the first XI!

How many academy-age players (sub 20) did he ever buy and then successfully groom into 1st-teamers!?

 

[Timak]

Gimme a break, these players were all bought as players who could potentially slot right into the first XI!

How many academy-age players (sub 20) did he ever buy and then successfully groom into 1st-teamers!?

None.

He didn't sign any.

The academy has a separate budget for recruitment.

 

[Guest89]

Gimme a break, these players were all bought as players who could potentially slot right into the first XI!

How many academy-age players (sub 20) did he ever buy and then successfully groom into 1st-teamers!?

They were still young and inexperienced to a point (I know Arteta had time at a higher level than us and Fellaini was coming from one of Belgium's top clubs, but they were still inexperienced in premiership terms).

As I said, it's very rare these days any managers directly scout for their academies, usually because of the premium they come with if you're signing them over the age of about 15. Saying Moyes did or didn't sign a load of teenagers isn't really an argument, because he would have had no real input into that past being asked to appear and possibly have a hand in convincing some kids to choose Everton over other clubs on the recommendation of the scouts.

There are sticks to beat Moyes with, but doing a Benitez on us and filling our academy with crap is not one of them.

 

[Christiffa25]

not being funny, besides Coleman what young buy did Moyes do that turned out well? can't really recall.

So you exclude any names people put forward as they don't suit your agenda??

It really just is any excuse to beat moyes with a stick now!
There's plenty since he left to beat him with, no need to beat him with things he did either very well or at worst in line with all other managers did at there respective clubs.

It's boring

 

[Philw]

Oh good, another Moyes thread!

 

[riddick]

So you exclude any names people put forward as they don't suit your agenda??

It really just is any excuse to beat moyes with a stick now!
There's plenty since he left to beat him with, no need to beat him with things he did either very well or at worst in line with all other managers did at there respective clubs.

It's boring

since you put it out there, please, explain which nameS. get a grip, I never said anything remotely against your messiah. he said 'Moyes did well with his young buyS'. ok, he absolutely did with Coleman. I asked(in case you can't read I explained also at the time that I can't recall others offhand) who else that would qualify as plural?

some people(ie: you here) are waayyy too far on the anti-anti Moyes brigade. if someone offends you because they asked a question( that wasn't even an insult to the great), maybe you should examine your sense of injustices.

 

[Guest89]

It's interesting that Garbutt's loan is only for an initial 28 days, the same day an article appears where Martinez says he thinks loans should be for full seasons and I think actually used Garbutt as a specific example. I assume it's with the option to extend counting on him playing for them in that first month.

 

[ANDYEFC95]

http://www.toffeeweb.com/season/13-14/comment/fan/25837.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

sounds like he had a blinder to day

 

[Eggs]

...I do think we have to be realistic about purchasing young talent. To a large extent you are buying potential and not many come through. The papers are full of stories of young stars joining Premier clubs but all too often that is the last that is heard of them. I'm not sure it matters a lot who the manager is, very few will realise that early promise when they step up to top level.