Lukaku V Kane and Barkley V Alli

[paulbefc]

No it isn't, if Lukaku isn't good enough to be the main penalty taker that is his problem. Anyway, you make it sound like all Kane does is score penalties.

Let's look at the stats

Kane 22 apps, 19 goals.

Lukaku 26 apps, 18 goals.

Even taking away Kane's 4 penalty goals, at his goals per game rate this season he would still score more than Lukaku.

Kane has 68 goals in 108 PL games. That smashes Lukaku's goal record by a distance.

This stat actually proves the opposite quite nicely when you factor in that Spurs are a far superior team with far superior 'suppliers' and goalscorers and Lukaku is the more creative player.

Kane would be further ahead if he was as good as Lukaku. Lukaku wasn't far off him last season either despite playing in an utterly atrocious Martinez side while Spurs enjoyed a title challenge. We were just as bad the year before while Spurs were top 6.

It's pretty clear to me that Lukaku is a better goalscorer and more creative and therefore the superior player. Kane'll have to outscore Lukaku by more than 1 with pens to make up for the yawning gap between the two in terms of the service they get.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

Hold on, many in this thread are saying Barkley is better than Alli, which is laughable in it's own right, but now you say Kane has Alli to play with yet Lukaku only has Barkley? SO which is it? Is Barkley better than Alli (which he isn't) ? and if he is, you can't use your first sentence as any excuse.


Come back to me when Lukaku manages three successive seasons of 20 + PL goals.....I doubt he will ever do it to be honest, considering most strikers don't manage it in the PL. Look I'm a big fan of Lukaku, but Kane has the edge, his record proves it.

Ali a different player to Ross.
Ali plays next to Kane and is always your 2nd attacker. While Ross who was our 2nd attacker today. Most of the time he's our 3rd and 4th attacker

Ali will always score more goals than Ross. And is playing in a Better team with better players But Ross has more assists this season. Creates more chances. And goes past players more. And has a better pass completion

I would say Ross plays where Eriksen plays. Just my opinion

 

[Simon baker]

This stat actually proves the opposite quite nicely when you factor in that Spurs are a far superior team with far superior 'suppliers' and goalscorers and Lukaku is the more creative player.

Kane would be further ahead if he was as good as Lukaku. Lukaku wasn't far off him last season either despite playing in an utterly atrocious Martinez side while Spurs enjoyed a title challenge. We were just as bad the year before while Spurs were top 6.

It's pretty clear to me that Lukaku is a better goalscorer and more creative and therefore the superior player. Kane'll have to outscore Lukaku by more than 1 with pens to make up for the yawning gap between the two in terms of the service they get.

Kane playing in a much better team
lukaku 175 games 69 wins 61 losses
Kane 108 games 59 wins 22 losses

In isolation these stats aren't worth a lot but do help to build a picture & supplement your point.

 

[Jack1882]

Wrong

Again clueless. The context of this is it was when he was in his early teens, we took him in after Arsenal turned him away. He was struggling but his mental strength and willingness to work persuaded the youth coaches to give him more time.

By the time he was 18 and on his way to Millwall he had come on leaps and bounds and was regarded as one of the better prospects in the academy. He was given his debut by Andre Villas Boas who only gave debuts to 2 players out of 30-40 academy players you think that would happen if he was this black sheep?

 

[Primativ]

This stat actually proves the opposite quite nicely when you factor in that Spurs are a far superior team with far superior 'suppliers' and goalscorers and Lukaku is the more creative player.

Kane would be further ahead if he was as good as Lukaku. Lukaku wasn't far off him last season either despite playing in an utterly atrocious Martinez side while Spurs enjoyed a title challenge. We were just as bad the year before while Spurs were top 6.

It's pretty clear to me that Lukaku is a better goalscorer and more creative and therefore the superior player. Kane'll have to outscore Lukaku by more than 1 with pens to make up for the yawning gap between the two in terms of the service they get.

We will just have to agree to disagree. Whilst I think they are close players ability wise, Kane for me has the edge. He is more prolific, and he works harder than Lukaku does, and he is more consistent.

He also scores a wider range of goals. From curlers, to powered shots, to tap ins, to headers etc etc.

 

[TraffordBlue]

Who says I am a Spurs fan? lol

lol You did. Didn't realise you were a Spurs fan, but just checked your posting history. Makes it a bit clearer now that you're arguing on behalf of one of your own players and we're doing the same for ours.

Anyway, don't want to derail the thread away from the main topic too much, but thought Spurs thoroughly deserved the win today, and unfortunately for us, there is a gulf in class at the moment. I thought Davies at Left Back was very good. Spurs have profited from having Kane and Alli who are 2 top English players, but there have also been some more unsung English heroes like Rose (seems to be getting recognition finally), Walker and Dier too. Very good consistent side there, and have to fancy yourselves for a top 3 finish.

 

[Primativ]

Ali a different player to Ross.
Ali plays next to Kane and is always your 2nd attacker. While Ross who was our 2nd attacker today. Most of the time he's our 3rd and 4th attacker

Ali will always score more goals than Ross. And is playing in a Better team with better players But Ross has more assists this season. Creates more chances. And goes past players more. And has a better pass completion

I would say Ross plays where Eriksen plays. Just my opinion

You are right they are, they should never be compared in the first place. For what it's worth, I'd have Alli every time if I could only choose one, goals in games are what it's about and Alli scores them more than anyone else in his position. I think only Mane compares and he again is more of an inside forward where as Alli is more of an Attacking Midfielder.

Barkley is more like Eriksen for sure, and Eriksen scores and assists more, covers more ground and completes more passes.

 

[Simon baker]

Again clueless. The context of this is it was when he was in his early teens, we took him in after Arsenal turned him away. He was struggling but his mental strength and willingness to work persuaded the youth coaches to give him more time.

By the time he was 18 and on his way to Millwall he had come on leaps and bounds and was regarded as one of the better prospects in the academy. He was given his debut by Andre Villas Boas who only gave debuts to 2 players out of 30-40 academy players you think that would happen if he was this black sheep?

Mate I don't support Tottenham so how do you expect me to completely understand the context.

Your clearly going to be biased I have presented you with evidence including quotes that he wasn't a youth team child prodigy who everyone knew would make it & you call me clueless.

For what it's worth it actually makes me respect Kane even more & I applaud him as this all clearly didn't come easy to him.

Perhaps the millwall comment was off but I listened to a whole talksport show talking about him at Millwall including callers who are wall laughing at him now I know that's foolish believing anything on talksport.

 

[Jack1882]

Mate I don't support Tottenham so how do you expect me to completely understand the context.

Your clearly going to be biased I have presented you with evidence including quotes that he wasn't a youth team child prodigy who everyone knew would make it & you call me clueless.

For what it's worth it actually makes me respect Kane even more & I applaud him as this all clearly didn't come easy to him.

Perhaps the millwall comment was off but I listened to a whole talksport show talking about him at Millwall including callers who are wall laughing at him now I know that's foolish believing anything on talksport.

I just don't get how people can look at this image and come away with the conclusion he owes it all to his team mates. Just seems like awful logic. Are you saying all of these players were worse than Lukaku as well but owe it all to their team mates?

 

[Primativ]

lol You did. Didn't realise you were a Spurs fan, but just checked your posting history. Makes it a bit clearer now that you're arguing on behalf of one of your own players and we're doing the same for ours.

Anyway, don't want to derail the thread away from the main topic too much, but thought Spurs thoroughly deserved the win today, and unfortunately for us, there is a gulf in class at the moment. I thought Davies at Left Back was very good. Spurs have profited from having Kane and Alli who are 2 top English players, but there have also been some more unsung English heroes like Rose (seems to be getting recognition finally), Walker and Dier too. Very good consistent side there, and have to fancy yourselves for a top 3 finish.

Haha. Yeah, it's going to be a never ending battle and to be fair, I can fully understand why Everton fans would rate Lukaku more than Kane, it's just the way it is.

Re the game, we have been really impressive at home this season. Rose has developed into one of the best LB's in Europe these last few seasons. We pretty much have no weaknesses throughout the side but I'd really like us to push the boat out and sign a top tier player like Isco to play in the three behind Kane, we can all dream right? I knew today would be a tough game and it was, you guys are clearly going places under Koeman, I think you do need a couple of excellent signings this summer to really make a move on the top 4. A bit of flair and a top CB would have you really competitive.

 

[Simon baker]

I just don't get how people can look at this image and come away with the conclusion he owes it all to his team mates. Just seems like awful logic. Are you saying all of these players were worse than Lukaku as well but owe it all to their team mates?

No come on no one is suggesting he is only a good player due to his teammates but everyone on that list played in teams finishing in the top 4 often higher you must concede that lukaku has played in a far worse teams & would score more goals for Tottenham than he does for Everton.

 

[Jack1882]

No come on no one is suggesting he is only a good player due to his teammates but everyone on that list played in teams finishing in the top 4 often higher you must concede that lukaku has played in a far worse teams & would score more goals for Tottenham than he does for Everton.

Your logic only leads to the conclusion that Lukaku must be better than all those players because he played in an inferior team...

 

[paulbefc]

We will just have to agree to disagree. Whilst I think they are close players ability wise, Kane for me has the edge. He is more prolific, and he works harder than Lukaku does, and he is more consistent.

He also scores a wider range of goals. From curlers, to powered shots, to tap ins, to headers etc etc.

Out of interest, are you an Evertonian? I hadn't seen you post until today (if you've said previouely I apologise, I must have missed it).

As for the bolded sentence, we've been through why those words are misleading. If you give one player considerably better service and a load of penalties to take, you expect them to comfortably score outscore the other who is apparently inferior, receiving inferior service and not taking a single penalty.

 

[paulbefc]

Your logic only leads to the conclusion that Lukaku must be better than all those players because he played in an inferior team...

It doesn't though, does it? That's a huge oversimplification.

There haven't been many better goalscorers than Lukaku. Even his harshest critics on here will rave to you about his goalscoring ability because it's genuinely superb.

A lot of those players like Suarez, Costa, Aguero, Henry offered far more to their team than goals. They also created them regularly. Making them superior players.

Kane is not one of them. See stat above.

 

[Tree13]

Lukaku comfortably better than Kane? Haha, come off it. Kane's goal scoring record is far better than Lukaku's. When do you ever see Lukaku score a goal like Kane's first today? Kane scores all types of goals. Lukaku has never even scored 20 league goals in a season, Kane is 1 goal away from doing it for three successive seasons. I know we are on GOT but Kane is the better striker, it's quite obvious.

Congrats on your win today pal, and welcome to GOT. How does it compare to the Spurs forum?