Current Affairs London Protests

[Barnfred 55]

not the first time on here i’ve had to apologise for my stupidity

I read it the same as you mate. Maybe we're both stupid

 

[Harryflashman]

I read it the same as you mate. Maybe we're both stupid

you're deffo half right

 

[Barnfred 55]

A. I have
B. I didn't say you had, I wasn't illustrating a point
C. We are in agreement

Ok

I won't insult you by asking to see your post and I apologise for my previous post insinuating you were being hypocritical in this regard

 

[Barnfred 55]

you're deffo half right

You calling me stupid. haha (just to be clear)

 

[Harryflashman]

You calling me stupid. haha (just to be clear)

If the cap fits mate if that cap fits

 

[Shevin Keedy]

I may be wrong, but the people below the kid on the cenotaph seem to be trying to stop him/ telling him to get down.

There is a video, I will try and find it. There are handful of people trying to get him down, a girl tries to climb up to stop him but is quickly moved on by police in riot gear. The same police then try to talk the flag burner guy down.

EDIT: here you are,

 

[peteblue]

I haven't kept referring to him have I? That was the first time I mentioned him Pete!

Indeed, it was badly worded to include other posters....sorry...

 

[peteblue]

I read it the same as you mate. Maybe we're both stupid

I think it was a volte-face by the original poster....

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

They can dump all the statues devoted to imperialists and slave traders and racists. That's more than ok. However, forget dead scumbags, we have real loive vulnerable people to protect. THAT should be the only thing on all our minds.

I repeat: these protests are ultimately reactionary. And they are celebrated by the Tory leadership as they offer them cover to hide their crimes and allow more of the economy to be opened up under their cover.

I can just see Boris Johnson sitting patiently there now waiting for the potential of a second wave to hit so he can stand up, point his finger, and say to the general public “this is all you’re fault”

 

[Shevin Keedy]

I can just see Boris Johnson sitting patiently there now waiting for the potential of a second wave to hit so he can stand up, point his finger, and say to the general public “this is all you’re fault”

Then some smart alec retorts " *your ".

 

[davek]

Well lots of the protesters were socially distancing. I didn't go on the protests for the reasons you mention, but if Robinson and his goons are there on Saturday I am very conflicting. Either way, if you're black, you experience racism, you see the police behave with continued impunity and never face charge for murdering people in custody, a President outlawing the protesters in America as terrorists who need shooting, in this country VE celebrations, Brexiteers rubbing their noses in it about how the crimes of Britain don't exist and any question of that they get told to leave the country etc.

Then you get idiots on beaches fighting, the government telling you that it's ok to drive to other paces to test your eye site and lockdown rules never existed and were advisory, people having street parties and conga lines, schools opening, football returning, pubs opening, shops opening etc. All this can go on, but as a black person you're not allowed to go and voice your frustration at what is essentially an execution on camera, on broad daylight, as other officers watched him do it. It's not going to wash with people, rightly or wrongly. Why should it be only black people, protesting racism that are singled out?

It's not "only black people protesting being singled out" for protesting, it's everyone. And two wrongs dont make a right. It's up to us to ignore the indiscipline and policy changes of this murderous government, NOT make their job any easier to crrate more death and mayhem.

The most radical thing anyone can do right now is to sit tight and not get involved in normalising movement and contact again at this very dangerous stage.

It's really easy to understand this point of view, but let me underline it for you and others: imagine you are part of the 2 million officially vulnerable group. Now tell me what you would think seeing the type of trampling through social distancing you;ve seen in the last few days.

Exactly.

 

[davek]

And more so for some ethnicities.

www.itv.com/news/2020-06-07/bame-medical-groups-write-to-health-secretary-demanding-urgent-action-to-safeguard-them-from-further-coronavirus-deaths/

Yes, which makes it even more moronic to be demolishing social distancing.

It's a clueless infantile reflex.

 

[davek]

I can just see Boris Johnson sitting patiently there now waiting for the potential of a second wave to hit so he can stand up, point his finger, and say to the general public “this is all you’re fault”

Exactly. Their script is written for them. They can even cop for the first wave now knowing that they can sufficiently muddy the water for any second wave.

Let me underline once again: these protests are reactionary, they are NOT progressive. They are every bit as reactionary as right wing anti-vax protestors.

Two million people's lives are in imminent danger from their actions. They are 'kin idiots.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Then some smart alec retorts " *your ".

FFS! Schoolboy error. lol

 

[davek]

I think that's a bit of hyperbole. The issue here is balancing the right to protest and the legitimacy of their cause versus the risks to their and the public's health.

By protesting, they're not just increasing the risk of infection for themselves but all those who they may then come in contact with, and there is the issue of a spike.

I have no qualms with people deciding to accept the risks for themselves because it's ultimately their right to do so and highlights their belief in the cause.

However, morally I have concerns regarding individuals deciding that an increased risk for others is just and honourable, including those in the BME community.

If there is a spike in deaths (and it's only an if), there'll be an uncomfortable discussion because as we've seen this virus doesn't consciously discriminate.

Spot on mate.