Current Affairs London Protests

[Blueclouds]

They are doing it for the right reasons at the wrong time because of something that was done wrong at the worst possible time.

I don’t agree with defacing the Churchill statue or any excessive vandalism, that sends the wrong message imo but I believe the people of Bristol have been trying to have that statue removed for years and an 11,000 signature petition was ignored by local MPs about it

Dont give a crap about a statue being thrown into the docks. I'm more arses that they dont care about the vulnerable people. Are they all going to isolate for 2 weeks now.

 

[davek]

My daughter a nurse and she been working 12 hours shifts with a mask on which is very uncomfortable. Just hope she stays safe if a 2nd wave comes.

What does she think - 4 weeks after we've all been told to stay at home to avoid massive deaths - when she watches tens of thousands of people half an inch spaced from each other?

 

[Kenshin]

The new narrative is don't blame the thousands of protestors gathering if there is a spike during the pandemic, blame the government.

You know , for telling people not to mass gather.

I still haven't seen one actual point made by UK protestors that is relevant to black lives in the UK. I've seen very specific examples that won't happen everywhere but not an actual point.

 

[PhilM]

...meanwhile a pandemic rages on....

These demonstrations = the biggest indulgence ever. About 1000% more irresponsible than a load of those pissed up beached whales we were all condemning two weeks ago sunning themselves.

This is not in any way 'of the left' or socialist, or even progressive; it's the sort of infantile disorder that people on the left should be condemning, as it threatens to increase the chances of tens more thousands of vulnerable people becoming infected in the next few months.

I could give a flying one about the hollow victory of dumping a statue into a river. We'll be dumping tens of thousands of actual dead people into rivers soon if we dont get a 'kin grip on this situation.

I have no hesitation in calling these protestors gobshites.

I think that's a bit of hyperbole. The issue here is balancing the right to protest and the legitimacy of their cause versus the risks to their and the public's health.

By protesting, they're not just increasing the risk of infection for themselves but all those who they may then come in contact with, and there is the issue of a spike.

I have no qualms with people deciding to accept the risks for themselves because it's ultimately their right to do so and highlights their belief in the cause.

However, morally I have concerns regarding individuals deciding that an increased risk for others is just and honourable, including those in the BME community.

If there is a spike in deaths (and it's only an if), there'll be an uncomfortable discussion because as we've seen this virus doesn't consciously discriminate.

 

[catcherintherye]

Seen a picture of a young black girl getting in the front of people trying to stop the violence this morning, cant recall were but she was brave doing that as you say.

She will probably never be seen again as well. We amplify the wrong voices.

 

[Blueclouds]

What does she think - 4 weeks after we've all been told to stay at home to avoid massive deaths - when she watches tens of thousands of people half an inch spaced from each other?

She in shock with what going on right now.

 

[catcherintherye]

...meanwhile a pandemic rages on....

These demonstrations = the biggest indulgence ever. About 1000% more irresponsible than a load of those pissed up beached whales we were all condemning two weeks ago sunning themselves.

This is not in any way 'of the left' or socialist, or even progressive; it's the sort of infantile disorder that people on the left should be condemning, as it threatens to increase the chances of tens more thousands of vulnerable people becoming infected in the next few months.

I could give a flying one about the hollow victory of dumping a statue into a river. We'll be dumping tens of thousands of actual dead people into rivers soon if we dont get a 'kin grip on this situation.

I have no hesitation in calling these protestors gobshites.

I think thats quite harsh Dave.

 

[Barnfred 55]

So you believe the best approach would be to turn a blind eye to criminal damage if it suits the moral stance of a group?

I don't really care about a statue of somebody I've never heard of. I do care about burning flags and vandalising cenotaphs.

But for me, the big issue here is whether people should be free to decide what it is acceptable to vandalise, based on nothing more than their own POV. If we opened that concept to everyone then nothing would be sancrosanct including personal possessions

 

[davek]

They are doing it for the right reasons at the wrong time because of something that was done wrong at the worst possible time.

I don’t agree with defacing the Churchill statue or any excessive vandalism, that sends the wrong message imo but I believe the people of Bristol have been trying to have that statue removed for years and an 11,000 signature petition was ignored by local MPs about it

They can dump all the statues devoted to imperialists and slave traders and racists. That's more than ok. However, forget dead scumbags, we have real loive vulnerable people to protect. THAT should be the only thing on all our minds.

I repeat: these protests are ultimately reactionary. And they are celebrated by the Tory leadership as they offer them cover to hide their crimes and allow more of the economy to be opened up under their cover.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Yeah, Lol, touche etc.

But you're in that organisation. What do you think of the great probability that a second wave will feed off contact like this?

It obviously will. It pains me to think that people will have travelled across the country to protest and demonstrate in close proximity then return home during a Pandemic.

I wish these people would organise and mobilise in a long term strategic way, but I have sympathy for the cause, even if I sincerely wish people weren't there.

 

[davek]

I think thats quite harsh Dave.

Nope. It's life or death. These protestors have completely ignored the threat their actions pose to 2 million shielding people who now are slowly being allowed to come out of isolation.

 

[PhilM]

I don't really care about a statue of somebody I've never heard of. I do care about burning flags and vandalising cenotaphs.

But for me, the big issue here is whether people should be free to decide what it is acceptable to vandalise, based on nothing more than their own POV. If we opened that concept to everyone then nothing would be sancrosanct including personal possessions

The Nazis vandalised shops because of their point-of-view towards Jewish people. Completely different scenario and situation I accept, but you'll get my point.

 

[Jebus_lives]

They are doing it for the right reasons at the wrong time because of something that was done wrong at the worst possible time.

I don’t agree with defacing the Churchill statue or any excessive vandalism, that sends the wrong message imo but I believe the people of Bristol have been trying to have that statue removed for years and an 11,000 signature petition was ignored by local MPs about it

I'm fairly sure a local Tory Councillor, when a proposed second plague was agreed upon highlighting the role in the slave trade advocated destroying it or something similar.

 

[davek]

It obviously will. It pains me to think that people will have travelled across the country to protest and demonstrate in close proximity then return home during a Pandemic.

I wish these people would organise and mobilise in a long term strategic way, but I have sympathy for the cause, even if I sincerely wish people weren't there.

I have sympathy for the cause too. But it's a no brainer not to support their mass protests at a time like this.

 

[davek]

She in shock with what going on right now.

I;m not surprised mate.