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You do have advantage. That advantage might be mitigated by mental health, or body dysmorphia, or your race. But the ‘whiteness’ isn’t the thing that’s causing the issues.

No one would say that because it’s a horrific disease that confers no privilege and is a, quite frankly stupid, comparison

You're not reading what I'm saying. Again.

The term "white privilege" does mean that white people have an inherent upper hand over non-white people.

While that's true, the problem with the term is that the word privilege has a very set definition - it's generally something special, something that gives them a leg up. There's a lot of working class white kids who don't recognise that "privilege". Hell, you have the term "white trash" in the US which is a moniker that white people have "failed" to use their privilege somehow, when the reality is there's many, many more glass ceilings than just race.

So instead of highlighting being white as "better", which the term dangerously closes in on, I'd prefer something which highlights how minorities are mistreated instead. It serves a better purpose.
 
I know that many Ukrainians work in England. And they do not live all well (but better than at home, as they think). They can be said to be white. But white privilege does not work. This term is absolutely incorrect.

There’s propaganda all over the shop, especially here - where before yesterday patriots were doing what had to be done to defend the country until everyone saw them pissing on a monument and being saved by a black bloke.

Now it’s them who are scum whilst BLM have been praised for not kicking off, even though almost all of the BLM protests hadn’t kicked off anyway and no one had been damaging war memorials.
 
that is utter rubbish.
You can care about racism, sexism, homophobia classism et al, all at the same time.

Right now the debate is about racism for obvious reasons. It’s a serious problem.

That doesn’t mean social mobility and all of the factors that affect it aren’t important.

The fact that we are talking about racism doesn’t mean that inequality isn’t important.

The term ‘white privilege’ doesn’t mean that all white people live in privilege. it doesn’t mean white people can’t be poor. It doesn’t mean that white people don't face prejudice.

I share a lot of your views on inequality. But I can share those views and still care about racism and sexism and be conscious that there are systemic, structural problems that mean that racism is more complex than the overt racism that we see from the inbreds that turned up yesterday.

And I think that there are a lot of ways that addressing racism can solve a lot of the problems associated with inequality. And I think that will benefit everyone. Irrespective of the colour of their skin.

Regardless of what you think mate the truth is the left dont want to know when white people are on the end of discrimination any more than the right with ethnic minorities.

As I mentioned previously imagine had the Rotherham scandal been 20+ white paedophiles hunting down all BAME girls the left media would have been screaming racism from the rooftops yet no one wanted to know other than the far right goons.

Hence why alot of working class have ended up voting on the right as they feel the left doesnt represent them.

Keep believing that isn't true - maybe they all just think the Tories and Ukip are for the working classes....
 
It actually does mean that mate.

That's why I have a problem with the term, because it's self defeating when you have so many people of all races suffer from the socio-economic deprivation which actually fuels racial inequality. Blacks in our society are disproportionately part of the prison system not because of "White Privilege" but because they're more likely to be socio-economically deprived than a white person but not ALL white people.

Personally, I'd like the term replaced by something inclusive. It serves no purpose and only does harm. Any label that stereotypes an entire race or skin colour is pointless.

Spot on
 
For those willing to listen to both sides of the story (for there are always at least two), this right wing protestor puts across the argument more succinctly than any of his counterparts have done so far. I must say it is a compelling speech and well worth a listen.


The most coherent Geordie I've ever heard speak to be honest mate
 
It actually does mean that mate.

That's why I have a problem with the term, because it's self defeating when you have so many people of all races suffer from the socio-economic deprivation which actually fuels racial inequality. Blacks in our society are disproportionately part of the prison system not because of "White Privilege" but because they're more likely to be socio-economically deprived than a white person but not ALL white people.

Personally, I'd like the term replaced by something inclusive. It serves no purpose and only does harm. Any label that stereotypes an entire race or skin colour is pointless.
No. I’m saying saying the term white privilege isn’t meant to mean that all white people *live* in privilege. As in the traditional sense. Economic etc. That’s not what the term was coined for. That’s not the meaning of the term ‘white privilege’. It refers to the societal benefits that exist at a macro level (not an individual level).

People became more broadly aware of it because of Peggy McIntosh but it was coined in the 30s to refer to the fact that, at the time, poor white people saw themselves as superior to poor black people. That it was some kind of ‘psychological wage’ ie a non-monetary benefit. Peggy McIntosh used an analogy of a knapsack. A collection of biases that were unconscious ‘tools’ that people of colour do not have. At no point did it refer to the idea that all white people live in economic privilege. Or that white people have all other privileges. Or that white people do not encounter prejudices. It’s just that being white provides some benefits that being a person of colour doesn’t.

I think a lot of the time people are looking at this too much at an individual level. It doesn’t mean that being white is an automatic free pass. It’s never meant that. It doesn’t mean that white people have all the privilege. It means that white people simply don’t have to worry about their race in a way that people of colour do. That it just isn’t a factor for them in the way it is for people of colour. Being white is a benefit in a predominantly white society.
A person of colour can be rich and have economic privilege. And a white person can be poor and not have economic privilege.

The fact is that there are certain advantages afforded to being white in a predominantly white society. There’s a reason why there is an representation of white men across the upper echelons of society across all disciplines. It’s not because white men are superior. Not is it because they are inherently evil. They are just afforded certain advantages (at a macro level, not at an individual level - that is a really important distinction) that others aren’t.
Just a biological example. Men don’t have to carry a child. They don’t have to go through child birth and recover. They don’t have the hormonal shifts that come with pregnancy and childbirth. Which provides them with an advantage from a career perspective. They can have a child and not take any time off whatsoever if they don’t need to. A women would struggle to do that, purely from a biological perspective. Then she may need to make a choice not to breastfeed.

This is an advantage (or privilege) of being male. It doesn’t mean men are evil. It just means that they have an advantage.

That’s all white privilege is. The fact is, being white is an advantage (at a macro level).
 
Regardless of what you think mate the truth is the left dont want to know when white people are on the end of discrimination any more than the right with ethnic minorities.

As I mentioned previously imagine had the Rotherham scandal been 20+ white paedophiles hunting down all BAME girls the left media would have been screaming racism from the rooftops yet no one wanted to know other than the far right goons.

Hence why alot of working class have ended up voting on the right as they feel the left doesnt represent them.

Keep believing that isn't true - maybe they all just think the Tories and Ukip are for the working classes....

Starting to sound like a Tommeh fanboy now.
 
You're not reading what I'm saying. Again.

The term "white privilege" does mean that white people have an inherent upper hand over non-white people.

While that's true, the problem with the term is that the word privilege has a very set definition - it's generally something special, something that gives them a leg up. There's a lot of working class white kids who don't recognise that "privilege". Hell, you have the term "white trash" in the US which is a moniker that white people have "failed" to use their privilege somehow, when the reality is there's many, many more glass ceilings than just race.

So instead of highlighting being white as "better", which the term dangerously closes in on, I'd prefer something which highlights how minorities are mistreated instead. It serves a better purpose.

I did read what you said. I’m disagreeing with you.

It’s a pretty big reach to not understand that white privilege does not mean every white person has every advantage in the world. It does mean that they are privileged that they do not face the same issues because of their whiteness. That’s it. It’s a really simple concept. There’s privilege from wealth, from body size, from gender.
What phrase would you use instead? A phrase which encompasses everything does nothing but stop people from finding language to easily describe their situation as seperate to someone else’s
 
No. I’m saying saying the term white privilege isn’t meant to mean that all white people *live* in privilege. As in the traditional sense. Economic etc. That’s not what the term was coined for. That’s not the meaning of the term ‘white privilege’. It refers to the societal benefits that exist at a macro level (not an individual level).

People became more broadly aware of it because of Peggy McIntosh but it was coined in the 30s to refer to the fact that, at the time, poor white people saw themselves as superior to poor black people. That it was some kind of ‘psychological wage’ ie a non-monetary benefit. Peggy McIntosh used an analogy of a knapsack. A collection of biases that were unconscious ‘tools’ that people of colour do not have. At no point did it refer to the idea that all white people live in economic privilege. Or that white people have all other privileges. Or that white people do not encounter privileges. It’s just that being white provides some benefits that being a person of colour doesn’t.

I think a lot of the time people are looking at this too much at an individual level. It doesn’t mean that being white is an automatic free pass. It’s never meant that. It doesn’t mean that white people have all the privilege. It means that white people simply don’t have to worry about their race in a way that people of colour do. That it just isn’t a factor for them in the way it is for people of colour. Being white is a benefit in a predominantly white society.
A person of colour can be rich and have economic privilege. And a white person can be poor and not have economic privilege.

The fact is that there are certain advantages afforded to being white in a predominantly white society. There’s a reason why there is an representation of white men across the upper echelons of society across all disciplines. It’s not because white men are superior. Not is it because they are inherently evil. They are just afforded certain advantages (at a macro level, not at an individual level - that is a really important distinction) that others aren’t.
Just a biological example. Men don’t have to carry a child. They don’t have to go through child birth and recover. They don’t have the hormonal shifts that come with pregnancy and childbirth. Which provides them with an advantage from a career perspective. They can have a child and not take any time off whatsoever if they don’t need to. A women would struggle to do that, purely from a biological perspective. Then she may need to make a choice not to breastfeed.

This is an advantage (or privilege) of being male. It doesn’t mean men are evil. It just means that they have an advantage.

That’s all white privilege is. The fact is, being white is an advantage (at a macro level).

Yes I understood what you meant, but clearly it doesn't mean every single white person is middle/upper class mate!

Yet the term means they still "live" in privilege just on the basis of being white. If a black person starts at zero, a white person starts at one.

That really isn't a helpful term when you're trying to highlight inequality and combat racism, because there's an absolute boatload of white people who recognise no privilege whatsoever. You can tell them til you're blue in the face they have that privilege, but the fact remains they won't recognise it due to their life circumstances.

It's too antagonistic a term and serves too little a purpose. The aim of racial equality is to get everyone on side, to understand that ethnic minorities need to be elevated, not whites lowered down. A term that punches up instead of down would be preferable.
 
I did read what you said. I’m disagreeing with you.

It’s a pretty big reach to not understand that white privilege does not mean every white person has every advantage in the world. It does mean that they are privileged that they do not face the same issues because of their whiteness. That’s it. It’s a really simple concept. There’s privilege from wealth, from body size, from gender.
What phrase would you use instead? A phrase which encompasses everything does nothing but stop people from finding language to easily describe their situation as seperate to someone else’s

Right so you pretty clearly didn't read what I said.
 
Regardless of what you think mate the truth is the left dont want to know when white people are on the end of discrimination any more than the right with ethnic minorities.

As I mentioned previously imagine had the Rotherham scandal been 20+ white paedophiles hunting down all BAME girls the left media would have been screaming racism from the rooftops yet no one wanted to know other than the far right goons.

Hence why alot of working class have ended up voting on the right as they feel the left doesnt represent them.

Keep believing that isn't true - maybe they all just think the Tories and Ukip are for the working classes....

Yeah, this is just untrue and you have no evidence for it.
 
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