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I did read what you said. I’m disagreeing with you.

It’s a pretty big reach to not understand that white privilege does not mean every white person has every advantage in the world. It does mean that they are privileged that they do not face the same issues because of their whiteness. That’s it. It’s a really simple concept. There’s privilege from wealth, from body size, from gender.
What phrase would you use instead? A phrase which encompasses everything does nothing but stop people from finding language to easily describe their situation as seperate to someone else’s

As for this, I'd simply use "racial injustice".

Highlights how ethnic minorities are on a lower rung and that needs rectifying, but doesn't state that whites are "privileged" to be on the higher rung in the first instance. Everyone should be on the higher rung.

For me it's like calling "racial equality" "white levelling" or something - would be stupid.
 
As for this, I'd simply use "racial injustice".

Highlights how ethnic minorities are on a lower rung and that needs rectifying, but doesn't state that whites are "privileged" to be on the higher rung in the first instance. Everyone should be on the higher rung.

For me it's like calling "racial equality" "white levelling" or something - would be stupid.

Ignoring the semantics of it - do you think white people escape certain prejudices by the colour of their skin?
 
Except a working class majority voting Tory.

Wake up ffs the left are finished until they pull their self righteous heads out their asses.
You talk like this is a new way of thinking (it most likely is for you), but the rhetoric you are using has been used before. It's an old playbook based around protecting the status quo, your nonsense puts me in mind of Governor Maddox and his ilk from the 70's.
 
Ignoring the semantics of it - do you think white people escape certain prejudices by the colour of their skin?

I answered that quite clearly here.


In every post actually I think. I state clearly here "that's what it is"


For the avoidance of doubt, yes, of course they do.

My point isn't that it's wrong; it's that as a term it's not helpful and could be far, far better constructed so as to not alienate.

If you thought in terms of the point of a cause - to win hearts and minds and change society from what it is to what it could be - I'm sure you'd get what I'm saying.
 
I answered that quite clearly here.


In every post actually I think. I state clearly here "that's what it is"


For the avoidance of doubt, yes, of course they do.

My point isn't that it's wrong; it's that as a term it's not helpful and could be far, far better constructed so as to not alienate.

If you thought in terms of the point of a cause - to win hearts and minds and change society from what it is to what it could be - I'm sure you'd get what I'm saying.

So you agree that the term white privilege refers to something real and you can understand it.
Who exactly do you think you would be protecting or saving from misunderstanding by changing the phrasing? Who is it that doesn’t understand it?

So I can work out who can’t understand it and so I alienated by it
 
So you agree that the term white privilege refers to something real and you can understand it.
Who exactly do you think you would be protecting or saving from misunderstanding by changing the phrasing? Who is it that doesn’t understand it?

This is exactly why I put in the last sentence of the previous post, because you aren't thinking about this the right way. You really do think of things in black and white - no pun intended. No offence intended really either, but it's true.

The people who don't understand it or understand it but don't relate to it are millions of people in society whose minds you need to change to achieve societal change in terms of racial equality.

If a term throws up barriers to people understanding racial injustice (see the term works) then it's not helpful. You can't just blame people for not understanding "white privilege" and say the problem is all on them, because you ultimately achieve nothing in terms of the actual cause. If the phrase isn't working, don't use it, change it.

It's basically a propaganda war mate. Not everyone who is against BLM is a bunch of mindless Geordie nationalist drunks. There's a load of people who are simply ambivelent and need coaxing. Telling them they have "white privilege" is going to be met with blank looks from a hell of a lot of people who don't identify their lives with the word "privilege" in any way, shape or form.
 
Yes I understood what you meant, but clearly it doesn't mean every single white person is middle/upper class mate!

Yet the term means they still "live" in privilege just on the basis of being white. If a black person starts at zero, a white person starts at one.

That really isn't a helpful term when you're trying to highlight inequality and combat racism, because there's an absolute boatload of white people who recognise no privilege whatsoever. You can tell them til you're blue in the face they have that privilege, but the fact remains they won't recognise it due to their life circumstances.

It's too antagonistic a term and serves too little a purpose. The aim of racial equality is to get everyone on side, to understand that ethnic minorities need to be elevated, not whites lowered down. A term that punches up instead of down would be preferable.
The fact is the term is *meant* to be uncomfortable. It’s reality. It’s correct in the literal sense of the word. It might be hard to stomach and it might make people uncomfortable but that’s the reality of it all.

it’s not meant to serve a purpose. It’s to describe a reality. You can call it white marshmallow if you like, it doesn’t change the reality of things.

and my view is that if people are put off by the *word* then they are never going to have the stomach to actually *be* anti racist. Because equality is going to mean sacrifice with little or no reward other than it being the right thing to do. That’s going to be difficult for some people to either fathom. The terminology is irrelevant.
 
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