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The fact is the term is *meant* to be uncomfortable. It’s reality. It’s correct in the literal sense of the word. It might be hard to stomach and it might make people uncomfortable but that’s the reality of it all.

it’s not meant to serve a purpose. It’s to describe a reality. You can call it white marshmallow if you like, it doesn’t change the reality of things.

and my view is that if people are put off by the *word* then they are never going to have the stomach to actually *be* anti racist. Because equality is going to mean sacrifice with little or no reward other than it being the right thing to do. That’s going to be difficult for some people to either fathom. The terminology is irrelevant.

See, I really don't see it that way - I don't think white people have to sacrifice anything; I think minorities should be elevated in society. What needs to be sacrificed? If tomorrow all races were treated equal, what would be the "price" of that? Surely there's only benefits.

I don't think the term is just uncomfortable; I think it actively works against the cause.
 
Regardless of what you think mate the truth is the left dont want to know when white people are on the end of discrimination any more than the right with ethnic minorities.

As I mentioned previously imagine had the Rotherham scandal been 20+ white paedophiles hunting down all BAME girls the left media would have been screaming racism from the rooftops yet no one wanted to know other than the far right goons.

Hence why alot of working class have ended up voting on the right as they feel the left doesnt represent them.

Keep believing that isn't true - maybe they all just think the Tories and Ukip are for the working classes....

No one wanted to know apart from the far right?

You really sure about that mate? Like have a little think about what you’re saying here and how you’re coming across.

The far right do not care about justice in these instances. They just jump on the racist bandwagon.
 
See, I really don't see it that way - I don't think white people have to sacrifice anything; I think minorities should be elevated in society. What needs to be sacrificed? If tomorrow all races were treated equal, what would be the "price" of that? Surely there's only benefits.

I don't think the term is just uncomfortable; I think it actively works against the cause.
Well they would need to give up the privilege. If we were to reshape society tomorrow at the push of a button, white people would lose their advantage. So yeah, that is a sacrifice.

the dial is pushed one way. To push it in the other direction would mean some people would lose out.

like balancing scales.
 
Labour don’t need to win back the racist vote thanks

If you believe the majority of the working class are racist fair enough - I just see alot of folk who either dont have the facts or have concerns that instead of being talked about they get shouted down as racist - you see it on here some cant wait to use the R word - maybe thats banter I dont know but all I know is the Tories can be the most incompetent party going yet still win a majority - what does that tell you?
 
No one wanted to know apart from the far right?

You really sure about that mate? Like have a little think about what you’re saying here and how you’re coming across.

The far right do not care about justice in these instances. They just jump on the racist bandwagon.

You are right there - but would they have the chance to if parties like Labour actually called a spade a spade instead of being too scared to say something is racist just because the victims are white?
 
If you believe the majority of the working class are racist fair enough - I just see alot of folk who either dont have the facts or have concerns that instead of being talked about they get shouted down as racist - you see it on here some cant wait to use the R word - maybe thats banter I dont know but all I know is the Tories can be the most incompetent party going yet still win a majority - what does that tell you?
I don’t believe the majority of the working class is racist, labour do notneed to pander to some racists(see milbands controls on immigration nonsense)...even if it wins a few votes back, sometimes you have to stand for what’s right
 
No one wanted to know apart from the far right?

You really sure about that mate? Like have a little think about what you’re saying here and how you’re coming across.

The far right do not care about justice in these instances. They just jump on the racist bandwagon.
There was an injunction in the press because of the age of the victims and the need for anonymity.
Tommy Robinson bring an absolute w**ker ignored this because he had his own agenda. Putting the trial at risk. Putting the victims at risk.
But yeah, it was only the far right that cared about it.
 
By the way, note the change from 'we will be guided by the science' on 2 metres we've been told up to this point, to 'we will be guided in the round, by the science and economics'.

Brass necked rat.
And he’s the ’nice tory’ lol
 
Well they would need to give up the privilege. If we were to reshape society tomorrow at the push of a button, white people would lose their advantage. So yeah, that is a sacrifice.

the dial is pushed one way. To push it in the other direction would mean some people would lose out.

like balancing scales.

One way of seeing it - for me I see the "privilege" as unnecessary. For any "loss" the net result of equality and the knock on effect of socio-economic rebalance for everyone would counter it. The only loss would be for the truly privileged in the long run, which they can afford to take.

I don't think of racial equality solely in terms of race, so I think that's why I have contrary views on it. For me, class and economic subjugation is a far bigger issue and one that creates the climate for racial discrimination to exist. In my eyes, lower class whites are racist solely due to grievances seen in their own lives and looking for a scapegoat.
 
This is exactly why I put in the last sentence of the previous post, because you aren't thinking about this the right way. You really do think of things in black and white - no pun intended. No offence intended really either, but it's true.

The people who don't understand it or understand it but don't relate to it are millions of people in society whose minds you need to change to achieve societal change in terms of racial equality.

If a term throws up barriers to people understanding racial injustice (see the term works) then it's not helpful. You can't just blame people for not understanding "white privilege" and say the problem is all on them, because you ultimately achieve nothing in terms of the actual cause. If the phrase isn't working, don't use it, change it.

It's basically a propaganda war mate. Not everyone who is against BLM is a bunch of mindless Geordie nationalist drunks. There's a load of people who are simply ambivelent and need coaxing. Telling them they have "white privilege" is going to be met with blank looks from a hell of a lot of people who don't identify their lives with the word "privilege" in any way, shape or form.


It’s really frustrating how you keep bringing this down to your views on me or whoever else you argue with. I’ve yet to see you change opinion on someone yet you keep throwing the accusation at me or others.


I dont agree it’s a propaganda war, it really isn’t. Genuine change is not about stopping some bigots with the Union Jack from thinking stupid things. White privilege is a perfectly fine term
 
It’s really frustrating how you keep bringing this down to your views on me or whoever else you argue with. I’ve yet to see you change opinion on someone yet you keep throwing the accusation at me or others.


I dont agree it’s a propaganda war, it really isn’t. Genuine change is not about stopping some bigots with the Union Jack from thinking stupid things. White privilege is a perfectly fine term

Not everyone who is against BLM is a bunch of mindless Geordie nationalist drunks.

You don't read what I say.
 
It doesn't take much to bring the self-righteous London yobs out in force if they perceive a cause to protect.

There's a lot of steam getting blown off at the moment due to the lockdown. Bandwagonning too.

I mean, someone daubed Racist King and BLM on Robert the Bruce's statue at Bannockburn up her in the frozen north. I know he was rather anti-English but for heaven's sake!
 
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