Match Thread Liverpool v Everton - Sunday 10th December

[DanB90]

Don't they always say that the form-book goes out of the window for the Derby game?

I’d feel more confident if Williams could go out the window for the Derby.

 

[Boss_Blue]

What derby?

Sort your phone out you biff.

 

[Deleted member 28206]

Gross

 

[ArtetaMoney]

I'm not looking forward to this at all, so we will defo win 3-0.

 

[Walken]

Is that a good thing or a bad thing or a just ok thing?

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Maybe they've gone OTT pumping Spartak and will be tired?

 

[bluestevon]

Maybe they've gone OTT pumping Spartak and will be tired?

They've been poor (dropped points) in 4 of the 5 games proceeding the CL games mate

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

They've been poor (dropped points) in 4 of the 5 games proceeding the CL games mate

So what you're saying is...IT'S ON!!!

 

[davek]

Not sure if you’re addressing fans or the players here? From a fans point of view I’m not sure it’s fair to label it an inferiority complex because any sane, rational person would look at our derby record, particularly in the premier league era, and expect that a loss on Sunday is likely. But surely you can understand why people are apprehensive about this game and don’t fancy giving it large on a forum and being a blue cheerleader? We’ve done it all before and it doesn’t go so well.

The best thing would be to attempt to be objective about this fixture. They’re in good form, we’ve got two wins in a row and two clean sheets. They overall have a better team, particularly in attack, and are at home. Both defences aren’t great, who’s is worse is debatable. Rooney should be up for it. Footy innit. Win, lose or draw. Only one of those three can happen. Three points for a win, one for a draw.. jumpers for goalposts and all that.

I'm not seeing apprehension here, I'm seeing capitulation even before a ball is kicked. And the opposite of that isn't 'giving it large', it's having a bit of dignity and allowing for the real possibility that a team that's recently kept two clean sheets and seemingly turned a corner defensively is coming up against a team that have tripped up against worst sides than us in the recent past and are way off the quality of the very best of the PL themselves - especially defensively.

Fans dreading the derby and wanting it over are contributory factors in the loser mindset our players take with them onto the pitch. An easy get out clause to just fold when the going gets tough: expected outcome - thus its ok to leave empty handed.

 

[larbert toffee]

I'm not seeing apprehension here, I'm seeing capitulation even before a ball is kicked. And the opposite of that isn't 'giving it large', it's having a bit of dignity and allowing for the real possibility that a team that's recently kept two clean sheets and seemingly turned a corner defensively is coming up against a team that have tripped up against worst sides than us in the recent past and are way off the quality of the very best of the PL themselves - especially defensively.

Fans dreading the derby and wanting it over are contributory factors in the loser mindset our players take with them onto the pitch. An easy get out clause to just fold when the going gets tough: expected outcome - thus its ok to leave empty handed.

I'll be watching it in the pub up here with an RS supporter and despite the fact he's been fair with me when they've been beating us over the last few years he'll be getting it large when we upset the odds on this occasion.

Agree with you entirely on the mindset of the players we should be going into this knowing we have a chance.

 

[neil999]

I'm not seeing apprehension here, I'm seeing capitulation even before a ball is kicked. And the opposite of that isn't 'giving it large', it's having a bit of dignity and allowing for the real possibility that a team that's recently kept two clean sheets and seemingly turned a corner defensively is coming up against a team that have tripped up against worst sides than us in the recent past and are way off the quality of the very best of the PL themselves - especially defensively.

Fans dreading the derby and wanting it over are contributory factors in the loser mindset our players take with them onto the pitch. An easy get out clause to just fold when the going gets tough: expected outcome - thus its ok to leave empty handed.

i just wish we had a good left back...

 

[Azzurri]

I'm not seeing apprehension here, I'm seeing capitulation even before a ball is kicked. And the opposite of that isn't 'giving it large', it's having a bit of dignity and allowing for the real possibility that a team that's recently kept two clean sheets and seemingly turned a corner defensively is coming up against a team that have tripped up against worst sides than us in the recent past and are way off the quality of the very best of the PL themselves - especially defensively.

Fans dreading the derby and wanting it over are contributory factors in the loser mindset our players take with them onto the pitch. An easy get out clause to just fold when the going gets tough: expected outcome - thus its ok to leave empty handed.

Oh dave, you think clean sheets at home to West Ham and Huddersfield give us a chance when going to Anfield.

I've got some news.

 

[bluestevon]

So what you're saying is...IT'S ON!!!

We have a better chance due to a variety of factors than i think we have had in a whilst mate.

New manager bounce - yup
Manager who has a very good record against Klopp with poorer teams than us - yup
Them playing in Europe just before - yup
Them going in over confident - yup
Us having a couple of players who won't vanish on the occasion - Rooney especially - yup (and god forbid Lee will get the entire team up for this game)


Looking at this rs side - i would actually be more worried if Lucas was still there as he was one of the players who seemed to always know about the occasion and get himself and the team up for it - Kuyt was similar as obviously was Gerrard.

Looking around that rs team now, don't see anyone who will get them pumped up for this occasion atm - fair enough they may not need it should they click up front or we do our normal act of freezing.

 

[davek]

i just wish we had a good left back...

They wish they had a good left back too.

 

[Lanolin]

Liverpool fans are now stating that they can beat anyone in the world and don't fear anyone in the CL (despite failing to win half their CL group games including not winning vs the only decent team in their group in Seville), they are also talking about how they can add players to their team in January - the missing pieces for this seasons title challenge (despite being 14 behind City after 15 games).

They are deluded


Kenny you obviously don't rate, yet i find it kind of ironic that you use DCL getting abuse off some people as vindication for you to tear into another young player... as for your rating of him - stats show he is far from poor defensively or attacking wise, eyes would show you that he is actually a very talented young player who has now started to settle after stepping up with the team in awful form.

My opinions pre hiring Allardyce are influenced by absolutely detesting him as a person and what he stands for mate, now he's here - he has to be analysed in what he does not what i think of him as a person, he knows how to play against teams like this Liverpool side - evidence he beat them last season with Palace at the pit, he beat them with Sunderland the year before - both sides managed by Klopp and containing largely a group of players much inferior to our side. He knows how to organise a team to sit and absorb pressure and deny a team space - much like Dyche did (Burnely drew this season at the pit) much like Mourinho does (they also drew at the pit) much like Benitez did - they also managed to draw this season vs Liverpool.

As for their record after European games you seem to be ignoring the actual stats and just stating that a 7-0 win can't see them gain anything other than massive confidence and improve them, they beat Maribor 7-0 away on a Tuesday and then went and absolutely stank the place out against Spurs and lost 4-1 at a ground they traditionally do very well at.

As i said, yes it is unlikely we get a result due to them being better than us, but seen a period they where a mile better than us in the 90's and they couldn't win a derby against us, football is cyclical, and all runs come to an end eventually, need proof of that, eventually our record against City will probably change away from the ridiculously good one it's been for ten plus years.

In fairness, playing away in Slovenia and then away to Spurs is a bit different to playing at home and then facing the quivering wreck that is Everton at Anfield.

I agree that we're unlikely to get anything from the game, and I don't really understand the idea that us being realistic about our chances somehow transmits itself to the players and makes them capitulate. Three years ago we turned up there quite confident and bullish and put in one of the most cowardly, embarrassing, performances I've seen in any game nevermind a derby.