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[Pittsburgh Footy]

Writing I Love Jesus directly on a rainbow armband and calling that simply support for Christianity is a bit like flying a Rebel flag in the US and saying it’s because you support “states rights” and it has nothing to do with slavery or the civil war

I mean we all know why he chose this time to make that statement

 

[Tommy Chong]

A message of love for Jesus shouldn't be a problem except the FA have banned political or religious messages because they could include things that are controversial even though they run their own campaigns that include inclusive messaging that really shouldn't be controversional but somehow is; also, his rationale might have been to undercut or subvert the intend rainbow message of inclusivity but also might not, and there's no way to know, but of course he could have just not worn the rainbow armband, but maybe that would have been worse, or not who knows; but I'm sure whatever your view of any of the above you'd agree that the armband message doesn't really need to be written anyway because either Jesus knows that Guehi loves him regardless of whether it's written down or doesn't even exist except as maybe a long-dead man and is therefore unable to react one way or the other to such a professed ideal.

It was mate:

Guehi's church minister dad slams the FA for reprimanding his son

EXCLUSIVE BY NICK PISA: The father of England star Marc Guehi has slammed the FA after his son was reprimanded for writing 'I love Jesus' on his rainbow captain's armband.

www.dailymail.co.uk

To summarise:

'Jesus loved everyone therefore by saying 'I love Jesus' on his armband I really don't see what is offensive and what the problem is.'

'Marc said 'Yes' and did the right thing by wearing it but people are having a go at him for what he wrote, he accepted to wear the armband, he was just trying to balance the message.'

However:

'He was saying' You gave me the armband, as a Christian I don't believe in your cause, but I will put it on'

'If you look at what the LGBT community are doing, they are trying to impose on others what they believe in, it's belief against belief, but at the end of the day everyone has the right to an opinion.'

It's a good thing that Marc and his bible-thumping pops both love Jesus, because on the flip-side:

 

[Efcjake]

Christianity.

How?

 

[Efcjake]

How so?

You’ve highlighted one word in a sentence that actually said ‘There shouldn’t be pressure on players to express open support for things that can be controversial in their private lives’

What do find objectionable in that sentence?

And as you have brought up ‘equal rights’ doesn't Guehi have an equal right to express his religious beliefs along side one of the EPL’s pet projects?

Nobody is saying you can't say you love Jesus though are they?

They're objecting to taking over a message intended for something else and instead trying to replace it with a not too subtle way of stating you disagree with the original message the armband intended.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

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[Efcjake]

I find it highly hypocritical that he’s being chastised for expressing his religious beliefs while being mandated to express support for LGBTQ rights.

If he had said "I love Jesus" in his post match interview do you genuinely think people would be bothered?

No, they wouldn't because the statement in and of itself out of context is a harmless expression of religious belief.

When you write that message over an armband intended to show support for the LGBTQ community solely as a way of visibly demonstrating you don't support them then that makes Guehi a bell end.

Hold your religious beliefs all you like, disagree with it all you like. You and Guehi don't need to tell everyone that you don't believe they deserve any rights or support which is exactly what putting his message over the armband was intended to do.

 

[bluestevon]

Palace should terminate his contract immediately.....


We may finish above them if they do.

 

[bluestevon]

Can someone draw a on the back of Doucoure, Keane, Harrison's shirts then write I love jesus over it before the wolves game please.

Give us an excuse to get rid

 

[Kever10]

@Kever10 thoughts?

My opinion is politics doenst really belong in football, and any of these virtue signalling gestures are hollow if they are enforced across the board. It would make a much bigger impact if several players did it of their own accord rather than everyone doing it because they have to.

That said, he hasnt refused to do it anyway, and he isnt doing anything offensive, so why reprimand him for it?

 

[Sean Ashley]

The reason it is important to wear it because whenever someone puts on the shirt and especially wears the armband they represent the club and their values. So when a club allows a captain to deface or in Ipswich's case Morsy outright refusing to wear the armband.

It shows to everyone in the club; it's fans, his other male colleagues or coaches who maybe struggling with their sexuality, the members of women's team who are lesbians, and the youth players who look up to these players that being queer isn't what we want at our club and that is dangerous and wrong.

Ipswich captain Sam Morsy refuses to wear Pride armband for Stonewall match

Morsy was the only of 20 participating captains to not wear the armband during matches meant to promote LGBTQ+ inclusivity in sport.

www.attitude.co.uk

 

[Sean Ashley]

I can almost hear your little yelp of excitement as you rush to the keyboard to exclaim your offence.

Considering you said you are ignoring me last week. Seems that you are the one rushing to your keyboard.

Enjoy wanking over wars

 

[Harryflashman]

The reason it is important to wear it because whenever someone puts on the shirt and especially wears the armband they represent the club and their values. So when a club allows a captain to deface or in Ipswich's case Morsy outright refusing to wear the armband.

It shows to everyone in the club; it's fans, his other male colleagues or coaches who maybe struggling with their sexuality, the members of women's team who are lesbians, and the youth players who look up to these players that being queer isn't what we want at our club and that is dangerous and wrong.

Ipswich captain Sam Morsy refuses to wear Pride armband for Stonewall match

Morsy was the only of 20 participating captains to not wear the armband during matches meant to promote LGBTQ+ inclusivity in sport.

www.attitude.co.uk

I think you make a very fair point on the importance of the rainbow armband laces and I echo it . However The minute the various FA’s , including ours, capitulated in the UAE it showed to me that as far as they’re actually concerned it’s a gesture rather than a strongly held belief.

That doesn’t mean I’m not in favour of the armband, it’s just I’m fairly contemptuous toward many of those in authority .

 

[Bedfordblue]

If he had said "I love Jesus" in his post match interview do you genuinely think people would be bothered?

The EPL would be bothered because ‘The appearance on, or incorporation in, any item of clothing, football boots or other equipment, of any religious message is prohibited under Rule A4 of the governing body’s regulations.’

my point, which appears to have sailed well over your head, is that the FA / EPL etc mandate players to wear this stuff regardless of whether it contrasts their own personal view.
As has been demonstrated with IGG simply choosing not to wear it for whatever reason, can lead to vilification which I believe is unfair.

Can’t Guehi be expressing an opinion that both a love for his religious icon and support for LBGTQ rights can co exist and have equal billing?
You have decided he’s making an opposing point because of what exactly? Your suspicion of an ulterior motive?
Maybe he does object, but wore it anyway incase abstaining affected his chance of playing for England. Is that fair and an example equality?

 

[SerenityNigh]

Religion has caused more hurt and suffering thoughtout the history of man than anything else.

I don't mean this personally because I think what you've stated is a common view, but this is an absurd take.

 

[Harryflashman]

The EPL would be bothered because ‘The appearance on, or incorporation in, any item of clothing, football boots or other equipment, of any religious message is prohibited under Rule A4 of the governing body’s regulations.’

my point, which appears to have sailed well over your head, is that the FA / EPL etc mandate players to wear this stuff regardless of whether it contrast their own personal view.
As has been demonstrated with IGG simply choosing not to wear it for whatever reason, can lead to vilification which I believe is unfair.

Can’t Guehi be expressing an opinion that both a love for his religious icon and support for LBGTQ rights can co exist and have equal billing?
You have decided he’s making an opposing point because of what exactly? You suspicion of an ulterior motive?
Maybe he does object, but wore it anyway incase abstaining affected his chance of playing for England. Is that fair and an example equality?

I think Omari Hutchinson has had “thank you Jesus “ on his shin pads all season , without comment . Almost as if that’s because that’s his firmly held belief rather than having a bit of an unnecessary pop at a community . I’ve also deffo heard players thanking Jesus , I’m pretty certain that the RS keeper did it when he scored , im sure he wasn’t warned as I assume I’d have seen the petition .