Current Affairs Laurel Hubbard

[Prevenger17]

She’s a woman...so she should compete. It may not be fair, but life isn’t anyway because some are taller, stronger faster, so it’s never an equal competition anyway. Weightlifting in particular should be decided by the multiple of the competitors body weight that can be lifted...now that would make it fair, and some small thin lass might actually win....

Pete, you rarely surprise me, but your angle on this has completely caught me on the back foot

 

[trueblue84]

During the clean and jerk?

I'm just waiting to see her snatch.

 

[The binman chronicles]

I'm just waiting to see her snatch.

 

[RAFUH]

I really miss 2006 when this would have been the plot of a really crap comedy movie rather than the height of seriousness.

In all honesty though, if a person has gone through puberty as a male then for all intents and purposes going to have an advantage on women (not all) when it comes to speed, strength, endurance-type events. (Presuming they are trained etc). Testosterone is a poor marker really.

As men age and testosterone levels drop, there are resulting changes in musculature. Just ask some of the older gents on here.
Similar effects if you give antiandrogens - muscle mass and strength decrease.

 

[RAFUH]

Sex is scientifically binary. What you are describing is developmental sexual disorders, but it doesn't matter - if you have a Y chromosome, you are male. You can be born XXY, Klinefelter's, doesn't matter, you're male. There are only two sex cells that exist - X and Y. There isn't a third sex cell, so there's no sex spectrum; sex is binary, scientifically, indisputably. There is no such thing as a true hermaphrodite, because it's completely impossible.

You are parroting nonsense catchphrases. "We" have made nothing; there's a difference between societal constructs and scientific fact.

Ah....shocker. Me and Tubs disagreeing.

 

[RAFUH]

I'm just waiting to see her snatch.

There is no need to be crass.

 

[alwaysblue]

Instead of male and female events rename it to birth genders.

 

[Tubey]

Ah....shocker. Me and Tubs disagreeing.

You aren't disagreeing with me. You're disagreeing with scientific fact.

Everything I've just said is as true as saying the earth isn't flat. If your view had any scientific merit, it'd then be a debate and I wouldn't be able to just say "no". But you are saying absolutes like 'trans women are women' and 'sex isn't scientifically binary' - they are objectively, provably false statements.

I understand fully where your view comes from - a position of not wanting to hurt feelings, a position where societal reality is of paramount importance and 'technicalities' shouldn't get in the way of it.

But what you don't understand is the consequence of that. The Equality Act 2010, for instance, sees the concept of sex underpinning women's rights. If you dilute what 'sex' means, you utterly destroy the foundations of that. It's suddenly a castle built on sand.

All I can say is it's possible to acknowledge the scientific reality of biological sex, understand women's rights are underpinned by biological sex and want to progress trans rights. You aren't an automatic 'TERF' if you say trans women aren't women.

 

[wainy]

As men age and testosterone levels drop, there are resulting changes in musculature. Just ask some of the older gents on here.
Similar effects if you give antiandrogens - muscle mass and strength decrease.

So you’d happily compete in a sport, say boxing for example, just because they identify as a woman and have had decreased testosterone for a couple years? There’s a reason we don’t all compete against each other, men are naturally bigger and stronger.

 

[Goat]

You aren't disagreeing with me. You're disagreeing with scientific fact.

Everything I've just said is as true as saying the earth isn't flat. If your view had any scientific merit, it'd then be a debate and I wouldn't be able to just say "no". But you are saying absolutes like 'trans women are women' and 'sex isn't scientifically binary' - they are objectively, provably false statements.

I understand fully where your view comes from - a position of not wanting to hurt feelings, a position where societal reality is of paramount importance and 'technicalities' shouldn't get in the way of it.

But what you don't understand is the consequence of that. The Equality Act 2010, for instance, sees the concept of sex underpinning women's rights. If you dilute what 'sex' means, you utterly destroy the foundations of that. It's suddenly a castle built on sand.

All I can say is it's possible to acknowledge the scientific reality of biological sex, understand women's rights are underpinned by biological sex and want to progress trans rights. You aren't an automatic 'TERF' if you say trans women aren't women.

Trans women arent women tho.

Nobody will ever convince me of that, people can use whatever labels they want, but men and born men and women are born women.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

You aren't disagreeing with me. You're disagreeing with scientific fact.

New tattoo idea

 

[Tubey]

Trans women arent women tho.

Nobody will ever convince me of that, people can use whatever labels they want, but men and born men and women are born women.

That's what I'm saying.

You can be XXXXXXXXXXXXXY but as long as that Y is there, you're a male.

I mean you'd be very, very dead with that karyotype, but you'd be a dead male at least.

 

[Tubey]

So you’d happily compete in a sport, say boxing for example, just because they identify as a woman and have had decreased testosterone for a couple years? There’s a reason we don’t all compete against each other, men are naturally bigger and stronger.

Oh didn't you know? Give Mike Tyson testosterone reducing drugs for two years and he'd look like Kylie Jenner.

 

[Goat]

That's what I'm saying.

You can be XXXXXXXXXXXXXY but as long as that Y is there, you're a male.

I mean you'd be very, very dead with that karyotype, but you'd be a dead male at least.

At the end of the day if some fella wants to walk around in knickers and a dress and call himself Judie, thats cool, but hes still a fella.

 

[peteblue]

As men age and testosterone levels drop, there are resulting changes in musculature. Just ask some of the older gents on here.
Similar effects if you give antiandrogens - muscle mass and strength decrease.

I too am competing as a woman this year as a result....