Current Affairs Laurel Hubbard

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The binman chronicles said:
Yes just to be clear no problem with anyone transitioning, that's their choice. It's just choosing to compete against females is the issue. They should know being an athlete how hard it is to get to that stage without this situation on top.
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Oh of course.

Get on this nonsense.

www.abc.net.au

'They always have an advantage': five myths about transgender athletes debunked

Another sporting event, another transgender outrage. But the answers to many of the questions you might have heard about weightlifter Laurel Hubbard's inclusion are — no, no, no, no and no.
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3. Transgender athletes will always be bigger and therefore stronger
Incorrect. Women, like men, come in all shapes and sizes. Our socially constructed view is that women need to look a certain way (usually more feminine) and men another (usually taller and stronger).

Nobody says Usain Bolt should not be able to compete against his rivals because his legs are longer than most of his rivals, just as nobody says Michael Phelps should not have been allowed to compete in swimming because his arm span was longer than anyone else's.
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Because of course, that's the same thing.

It's not a hard one to understand. Yes, men and women come in all shapes and sizes. However, men, on average, are much more prone to be bigger and stronger than women. Their bone density is different. You can't reverse puberty. It's why you've never seen a woman boxer looking like Mike Tyson.

Speaking of which, imagine - just imagine - prime Mike Tyson, given 12 months of testosterone blockers and then let rip in the women's boxing division lol lol lol lol

Hubbard, in all likelihood, won't win. She won't win because being a male isn't an advantage; but rather because she's a pretty terrible weightlifter. The only, and I mean only reason she's competing at the Olympics at that level is because she's male. We all know this, everyone knows this, even Hubbard herself, but unfortunately nobody has been brave enough to put a stop to the nonsense.
 
No idea how accurate this is as I’m too lazy to research it myself but apparently Laurels personal bests wouldn’t even get her near the medals in the last five olympics so I might have been wide of the mark in my prediction she would crush the opposition.
 
Listen girls. If you want to compete with the best then tough up. You want equality compete in the mens events.
 
So much misinformation in this thread. As per the study below, it does appear as though trans women can have an advantage, but the authors suggest that after two years that advantage has gone. Hubbard seems to have transitioned 9 years ago.


Incidentally, she competed in the Commonwealth games in 2018 and the world championships so this isn't a new thing.
 
It isn't right and is unfair on the women competing in that event but all the abuse on social media about chicks with dicks etc... is totally disgraceful.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
So much misinformation in this thread. As per the study below, it does appear as though trans women can have an advantage, but the authors suggest that after two years that advantage has gone. Hubbard seems to have transitioned 9 years ago.


Incidentally, she competed in the Commonwealth games in 2018 and the world championships so this isn't a new thing.
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If you can't honestly see the difference in a decline in push-up and sit-up performance in young non-elite athletes and elite level weightlifting/any sport...

The heaviest ever deadlifted by a woman was 300kg. The heaviest by a man was 500kg. The best male weightlifter today at Olympic level lifts 150kg more total than the best female weightlifter - 23 and a half stone. That's the innate difference.

To highlight how bad a weightlifter Hubbard was as a male, her records as a male junior would be just about competitive enough to get him a medal in the under 9 stone male category.

The idea you could put Lasha Talakhadze or Hafthor Bjornsson on hormone suppressants and after two years 'the advantage is gone' is insane.

Sometimes something is just clearly wrong mate.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
So much misinformation in this thread. As per the study below, it does appear as though trans women can have an advantage, but the authors suggest that after two years that advantage has gone. Hubbard seems to have transitioned 9 years ago.


Incidentally, she competed in the Commonwealth games in 2018 and the world championships so this isn't a new thing.
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That study still states that trans women are 9% faster than their female counterparts. That is a significant difference.

I don't think there is an easy answer, because there is no defined performance metric for a man or woman. We are on a spectrum for all our "features". Some women naturally have far higher testosterone levels than others. Look at some of the female rugby players. They are massive.

I think the studies need to look into whether trans women always fall into the top x% of female participants. That would possibly highlight that it does matter.
 
Tigger said:
After all the trouble that poor Caster Semenya? went through.
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That's the one!

Posted in similar thread -

"Seems odd decision, thought there was an athlete named casica or similar who was deemed too have to many male hormones and banned from competing think it was running, yet this young lady can declare they are female without any gender therapy etc. Got themselves in a mess if you ask me over this ruling!

Spot the difference!

i.webp
 
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Surely there’s a massive difference between those who use puberty blockers before transitioning and those who are fully developed adults who then transition? With the latter it won’t be just about hormonal profile. Hubbard will have the structure, bone density, muscular development of a man- not to mention stuff like muscle fibre and motor unit development.

I’m not saying this should or shouldn’t disqualify trans athletes, but I think when people reduce the debate to being about hormones (testosterone specifically) it’s naive/ignorant at best and a bit disingenuous at worst.
 
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No idea how accurate this is as I’m too lazy to research it myself but apparently Laurels personal bests wouldn’t even get her near the medals in the last five olympics so I might have been wide of the mark in my prediction she would crush the opposition.
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Sets a precedent going forwards, would not put it last "elite sport" which is business, to pursue success over well-being of any athlete, and would not surprise me they would happily add or take away body appendages for competitive advantage.
 
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