'Koff Redknapp.....

[Ashtonluke]

Everton are in a different place now to what they were in 2004 around the time of the Rooney sale. We needed the Rooney money for a start. We had just finished 17th and he had his head turned. Now, the finances are stable and we are right up at the top part of the league. We have several England internationals and are a top 6 PL side.

There is also an important point about the league itself. If you look at the clubs who could afford to buy Barkley, where realistically would he go and be first choice? Possibly Man Utd but not any of the others. The top clubs now have squeezed so many attacking players and it would stifle his development to move. He is better at Everton for now where he will be first choice and (barring injury) will get in the world cup squad for next year.

The key now is for us to get him signed up for 5 years. We need to offer him as much as we can afford to pay him.

 

[daza_1973]

You all cry to much about kopites pundits tbh, bit stupid given the massive praise we have been given this season from Hansen, Carragher, Souness, Redknapp etc.

Just makes you all look a bit mental crying about them, we have been getting bummed by the media for several weeks now.

True, but you just know they have their fingers crossed under the table when they are making these praises.......

 

[justmeinit]

Moyes didn't rate Barkley

Football genius is young Mr Moyes

I just think Moyes didn't know how to bring Ross on as a player, develop him. Moyes was all about discipline first. Martinez was the right man to develop Ross, Moyes would rather play a senior player out of position than give youth a chance. I think within the next 2 to 3 years you will start to see youth coming through and playing in the first team.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

I'm not convinced it's entirely about attitude. I always thought that was one of Moyes' key strengths: building team spirit. He weeded out the bad eggs and helped the squad all pull in one direction.

I just don't think he was very good at spotting the potential of youth.

I think every young player had to be exactly on message and if they weren't, they got shafted

As much as Deulofeu annoys me sometimes, he's at least his own man and Martinez lets him be that man

You have to fit the Moyes mould and show the appropriate respect and adoration, otherwise you won't get a game

I'm sure he's capable of spotting young prospects, I mean how can you miss Barkley FFS, it was bloody obvious!

I just think Moyes demands a young player bend to his will too much and shackles them at a young age, while also not being willing to give them benefit of the doubt

 

[Jags..class]

Moyes is playing some kid at Man u, he only doing that to prove a point

 

[allen]

I think every young player had to be exactly on message and if they weren't, they got shafted

As much as Deulofeu annoys me sometimes, he's at least his own man and Martinez lets him be that man

You have to fit the Moyes mould and show the appropriate respect and adoration, otherwise you won't get a game

I'm sure he's capable of spotting young prospects, I mean how can you miss Barkley FFS, it was bloody obvious!

I just think Moyes demands a young player bend to his will too much and shackles them at a young age, while also not being willing to give them benefit of the doubt

There's no doubt he puts too much emphasis on work ethic and discipline, and perhaps it is that which clouds his judgement. But whatever the reason, his judgement on young players was certainly poor.

I love the approach Martinez is taking with youth - but also the team as a whole. Give it a go, take risks. Act on instinct. Decisions based on instinct make for a much more incisive team - you cut out the thinking time.

 

[ScouseBlueBoy]

Ok I'll break this down.

1. Ex kopite pundit makes stupid comment offending nobody apart from those precious enough to feel it.

2. Evertonians now feel it necessary to insult each other defending their own opinion whilst ignoring everyone else's.

Understand?

There is no winner here.

Pompous bullies never let the opportunity slip by to be one.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Moyes is playing some kid at Man u, he only doing that to prove a point

He's probably getting told to play him so that they can lock him into a deal

They don't want another Pogba

Plus, Januzaj seems to be on message and does what he's told

Once they lock him into a deal, expect him to play less for a while and "pay his dues"

 

[Deleted member 28206]

Pompous bullies never let the opportunity slip by to be one.

No mate. I don't like kopite pundits ruin my day with throw away comments.

I'm not that precious.

 

[mythbuster]

"We don't care what the red sh*te say" ....

Just saying like.

 

[evilwebby]

There's no doubt he puts too much emphasis on work ethic and discipline, and perhaps it is that which clouds his judgement. But whatever the reason, his judgement on young players was certainly poor.

I love the approach Martinez is taking with youth - but also the team as a whole. Give it a go, take risks. Act on instinct. Decisions based on instinct make for a much more incisive team - you cut out the thinking time.

Moyes works on making the player fit the system.. an approach that tends to blunt the development of creatively minded players.

If we're going to bridge the gap between us and the richer clubs, then bringing through our own youth MUST be a a huge part of that. That's what Moyes in his latter years, forgot about, and why we stagnated for the last 4-5 years. Having a youth setup that can produce you one first teamer every couple of years is vital, and once a decade it might produce a Rooney or a Barkley.

 

[degsy]

Tosspot.

"It makes you wonder why David Moyes paid £27 million for Fellani when he could have bought Ross Barkley instead".......just do one you bugger.

Half right and totally wrong.

Moyes likes to try before he buys, he knows Fellaini

He didn't 'know' Barkley at Goodison hence he didn't play him

because he didn't play him and thus know him he didn't buy him.

NOW EVERYBODY KNOWS HIM.

David Moyes; deadman walking

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Moyes works on making the player fit the system.. an approach that tends to blunt the development of creatively minded players.

If we're going to bridge the gap between us and the richer clubs, then bringing through our own youth MUST be a a huge part of that. That's what Moyes in his latter years, forgot about, and why we stagnated for the last 4-5 years. Having a youth setup that can produce you one first teamer every couple of years is vital, and once a decade it might produce a Rooney or a Barkley.

The attitude of our fans needs to get a bit better in regards to it as well

When a young player plays in the squad it seems like he has to be amazing straight out the blocks or people start falling over themselves yelling that he's not good enough (Oviedo anyone?)

 

[Brownie86]

The day I'll take what a redite says seriously is the day hell will freeze over

 

[Khalekan]

Moyes is playing some kid at Man u, he only doing that to prove a point

I have a funny feeling there is a grain of truth in that.

Everything Moyes is doing now at OT is in reaction to what is happening here.

He must squirm every time Jags carries the ball out if defence instead of hoofing it.

And I don't believe that young lad at OT would have got half the games this season if it wasn't for the sensational way Ross has come alive under El Bob.

He is trying to re-write history and show himself as a manager whom gives youth a go.....we know the opposite is the case.

Wholesale team changes after every defeat.....that was never his form here.

He is desperately rolling the dice as he looks at how his old charges are doing.

Trying to kill the opposition off when they get in front, having started off over there doing what he did here, holding on to a narrow lead and losing late equalisers against Saints and Cardiff.

He said before we played than that he "hadn't the time" to look for Everton's results.

I suggest the opposite is true and his whole OT life is being dictated by what Bob is achieving over here.