justice for bily!!

[ToxtethBlue]

None of the above for me mate - Rodders needs a breeder - Fellaini really is our creative force as LCAB said at the mo really isnt fair at this stage of his development or is the shifting of his positions but there you go a victim of his own effectiveness - Dont really see Rodders turning over or brigeing our play from defence to attack that much to be honest you could replace Fellaini's name with Rodwells in your post when he plays deep and you would be more accurate. Rodwell certainly not consistently and less and lessy as the weeks have worn on nor is it fair that we expect him to. I think Rodders is maybe playing with 60% of whats in his locker at the mo if im honest - certainly a huge amount more will come form this boy, Rodwells better at the hollywood balls to be fair but he needs work on his decision making, consistencey, his view of the overall game and critical points when impact needs to be made and his postioning at times - thought Cahill put in a marked decent performence yesterday, hes as skillfull without the ball in the box as he is with the ball in the box.

Arugumenet for a 4-4-2 and a 4-5-1 to be fair - i dont think it will be or should be definitively decideded upon, the variables of each game have to be taken into account.

I haven’t said I’d drop any of them by the way, just thought I’d make that clear. I said if we where going on form this season then it’d have to be Cahill who dropped out. Reputation or no reputation, players should be judged on there individual performances and Tim hasn’t been brilliant and has had few standout games. But as I’ve said, I’d have him in my team most weeks at the moment.

The stats clearly show that Rodwell makes and completes more passes than both Cahill and Fellaini. His intelligence and decision making in possession is excellent. Hollywood passes? I don’t even know what that means, the ability to pass a ball further than 5 yards possibly?

I’m not making out he’s perfect, far from it. He does need to improve his positioning and as a defensive midfielder he’s got to be more aggressive but his ability in possession is excellent, week in week out. Other than Arteta, he’s by far our best player when it comes to taking the ball off the back four and distributing.

And he does need a rest, all three of them do in all honesty. At the moment though, bar the odd game here and there, we really can't afford to.

 

[Neiler]

I haven’t said I’d drop any of them by the way, just thought I’d make that clear. I said if we where going on form this season then it’d have to be Cahill who dropped out. Reputation or no reputation, players should be judged on there individual performances and Tim hasn’t been brilliant and has had few standout games. But as I’ve said, I’d have him in my team most weeks at the moment.

The stats clearly show that Rodwell makes and completes more passes than both Cahill and Fellaini. His intelligence and decision making in possession is excellent. Hollywood passes? I don’t even know what that means, the ability to pass a ball further than 5 yards possibly?

I’m not making out he’s perfect, far from it. He does need to improve his positioning and as a defensive midfielder he’s got to be more aggressive but his ability in possession is excellent, week in week out. Other than Arteta, he’s by far our best player when it comes to taking the ball off the back four and distributing.

And he does need a rest, all three of them do in all honesty. At the moment though, bar the odd game here and there, we really can't afford to.

Aye no worries mate, i didnt think you meant drop certain players - Sharpy makes a good point when he says its a squad game you need a pool of players really - as we've found over the past few weeks.

What are the stats mate and the source/link they would be intresting to see - safe to say Jack has played more games and has had a more certian role/position in the team then the other two? By Hollywood pass i just mean he has the ability and techniuqe to pull of an standout, stop you in your tracks high profile pass. Well im not so sure on his decison making to be honest, hes gone sloppy in recent games practicualry in his defsive game and i think he needs to work on his short game - looking at working his way into and useing smaller triangles with other players and work on his movement - Fellaini is exceptional at this even if Jack has the range he needs to choose the right option and sometimes the safest option, - he has the ability - ive no doubt it will come.

Ive no doubt he will develop into a player of Arteta calibre - maybe even better - hes not there yet mate - he mightend be for another three seasons. In fact im not convinced his rile in the team best suits him to be honest - but is see the reasons why hes there. Like i say he has a lot more in his locker - but its getting close to the time where Jack will be out of the team - he needs it IMO.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Aye no worries mate, i didnt think you meant drop certain players - Sharpy makes a good point when he says its a squad game you need a pool of players really - as we've found over the past few weeks.

What are the stats mate and the source/link they would be intresting to see - safe to say Jack has played more games and has had a more certian role/position in the team then the other too? By Hollywood pass i just mean he has the ability and techniuqe to pull of an standout, stop you in your tracks high profile pass. Well im not so sure on his decison making to be honest, hes gone sloppy in recent games practicualry in his defsive game and i think he needs to work on his short game - looking at working his way into and useing smaller triangles with other players and work on his movement - Fellaini is exceptional at this even if Jack has the range he needs to choose the right option and sometimes the safest option, - he has the ability - ive no doubt it will come.

Ive no doubt he will develop into a player of Arteta calibre - maybe even better - hes not there yet mate - he mightend be for another three seasons. In fact im not convinced his rile in the team best suits him to be honest - but is see the reasons why hes there. Like i say he has a lot more in his locker - but its getting close to the time where Jack will be out of the team - he needs it IMO.

Fair enough.

The stats are all on the Telegraph website. If you go to the match reports, press the formations and hover over the players names - it tells you how many passes the players made and how many they complete.

Everton 1 Aston Villa 1: match report - Telegraph

 

[Neiler]

Fair enough.

The stats are all on the Telegraph website. If you go to the match reports, press the formations and hover over the players names - it tells you how many passes the players made and how many they complete.

Everton 1 Aston Villa 1: match report - Telegraph

Lol mate Fellaini was playing as a support striker and Cahill on the wing even then wasnt much of a difference between Rodwell and Fellaini. Whats it looking like over the season?

Intrestingly Jonny H spanked everyone with his stats.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Lol mate Fellaini was playing as a support striker and Cahill on the wing even then there hardly a difference in their ratios.

That's Fellaini position, and according to you it's not 'support striker' but as a box to box midfielder.

And you can go through most of the games this season, Rodwell makes and completes more passes than both of them on the whole.

 

[bluebastardo]

That's Fellaini position, and according to you it's not 'support striker' but as a box to box midfielder.

And you can go through most of the games this season, Rodwell makes and completes more passes than both of them on the whole.

Isn't Rodwells position a much more static one?
Both Fellaini and Cahill are target men throughout a match, where Rodders is much more connected with initial build up and possessional play.

 

[Neiler]

That's Fellaini position, and according to you it's not 'support striker' but as a box to box midfielder.

And you can go through most of the games this season, Rodwell makes and completes more passes than both of them on the whole.

Really mate have to say im surprised by that, do you know really or are you assuming - seeing as you dont have the info at hand - you sounded certain in your earlier post.

Is it his position, you always liked him there - so its according to you really! Hard to say where or if he has a best position, certainly one of his talents is he is versatile playing many different roles already this season - but yes for me hes our best B-T-B midfeilder and in the future i think he will play deeper.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Isn't Rodwells position a much more static one?
Both Fellaini and Cahill are target men throughout a match, where Rodders is much more connected with initial build up and possessional play.

Not really, as both Cahill and Fellaini has also played alot of games in the middle of the park, either interchanging throughout a game or actually playing an out and out centre midfield role.

Even in those games Rodwell tops them, simply because as a player, he's far more interested when it comes to looking for the ball and taking possession.

You could see the massive difference between them during the AEK Athens, Rodwell is just far more natural in this area, it's what he does, his ability to use the ball cannot be questioned.

 

[Brownie]

How on Earth ToBl has got away with claiming he doesn't understand the term "Hollywood pass" is beyond me.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Really mate have to say im surprised by that, do you know really or are you assuming - seeing as you dont have the info at hand - you sounded certain in your earlier post.

Is it his position, you always liked him there - so its according to you really! Hard to say where or if he has a best position, certainly one of his talents is he is versatile playing many different roles already this season - but yes for me hes our best B-T-B midfeilder and in the future i think he will play deeper.

Have a look, I know I'm right, I wouldn't have given you the stats if I wasn't 100% certain. Rodwell makes more and completes more passes than both Cahill and Fellaini, it's all there for you.

And that's my point really, that doesn't mean I'm criticizing Cahill or Fellaini, simply showing that Rodwell's decision making in possession isn't off, it's actually very good.

It's certainly the position he's been used in predominantly during his time at Everton. That's certainly the position he's been most effective in during his time here.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

How on Earth ToBl has got away with claiming he doesn't understand the term "Hollywood pass" is beyond me.

Tobl?

How dare you.

 

[Goat]

Whos ToBl?

 

[Brownie]

Have a look, I know I'm right, I wouldn't have given you the stats if I wasn't 100% certain.

Honestly I love your arguments with Neiler more than anything.

 

[bluebastardo]

Honestly I love your arguments with Neiler more than anything.

More than doughnuts? :blink:

 

[Neiler]

Well if you know your right thats good enough for me! lol

But seriously - hes a talented lad of Gerrard and Lampard proportions we're talking here - he needs to dip out for a while and i hope it happens on Artetas return - and bring him back in gently. Last few games he slost pocession a tad to easily, made poor decisons in back passes and generally not being aware - stats are great and all - but if a successfull pass is a pass back to a defender who becomes immeaditely under pressure or the keeper who has to rescue a situation - its bad decison making - hes ace but has been sloppy in the last three games especialy defenively - he has already surpassed what we should expect from him up untill this point of the season - to look after the lad and his development once there are alternatives back - he should dip out for a time or certainly be used more sparingly IMO.