Current Affairs Joe Biden POTUS #46

[dylsexicbleu]

Sure, as in diversity = unqualified because she's black. All can see your intent.

If Biden withdraws after receiving the nomination, the party rules kick in and there's no provision for the VP nominee to automatically become the POTUS nominee. The DNC delegates would choose.

Yes, and assuming this thread is in any way representative IF that nominee is NOT Kamala Harris the implication is that it's because of her race(and almost certainly gender).

 

[BlueTX]

Judge Luttig is a mentor to many conservative Justices and Senators. He's no left-winger.

 

[BlueTX]

Yes, and assuming this thread is in any way representative IF that nominee is NOT Kamala Harris the implication is that it's because of her race(and almost certainly gender).

I do not in any way see the folks involved in this thread expressing: 1) diversity = unqualified or 2) if the nominee is not Harris it is due to her race (D's had a 2-term African-American POTUS) or gender (D's had a woman nominee for POTUS).

Seems to me the only one expressing such is you.

 

[Alan Whittle]

Almost every VP is picked with voting demographic as one consideration amongst others. Other considerations are competence for the job, an ability to step into the POTUS position if needed, an ability to work with Congress etc. The only explanation I can come up with as to why Harris got the gig was optics. It wasn't campaigning ability, administrative competence or her abilities as a political deal maker. If you think Harris was such a good choice why is virtually no-one talking about her as a future elected President? There seems to be no groundswell of support for her to become POTUS, not from the Dem media, the Party big-hitters or the public.

Campaigning ability? Administrative competence? Political Deal Maker?
Dan Quayle? Spiro Agnew? Henry Cabot Lodge?
Uh huh.

 

[Rita_Poon]

I do not in any way see the folks involved in this thread expressing: 1) diversity = unqualified or 2) if the nominee is not Harris it is due to her race (D's had a 2-term African-American POTUS) or gender (D's had a woman nominee for POTUS).

Seems to me the only one expressing such is you.

I'm getting the picture this account (not you BTX) having been inactive for a while has turned up and is looking to...

 

[Martin Alvito]

She's definitely qualified to do the job
Twice elected AG of CA and elected Senator for CA.
I'm not sure what more she'd need to be VP.
Actually I'm not going to bother with this, you're talking crap (again)

I think the argument that she's Gore 2.0 (just plain unlikable) has legs. The Republicans, historically, have been good about coalescing behind whoever ran second in the last presidential primary at the top of their next ticket. They know that person can win votes. It helps that they're much more comfortable running an older politician eight years down the road.

Democrats often seem to want a fresh face. Whether there's a viable flavor-of-the-month come primary time is a little hit-and-miss. When there is, people like JFK, Carter, Clinton and Obama win. When there isn't, well...

I think a lot of the resentment comes down to the fact that many people thought they were voting in Biden for a single term solely to defeat Trump, at which point Trump would be political manure and the Democrats could pick someone more to their liking in a 2024 free-for-all. One problem is that a proper heir apparent hasn't emerged, which often happens to the Democrats. Newsom's the closest thing they have, but he's a little left for a general.

Biden would be a lot more likely to step down if the party had someone polling +6 against Trump.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

I think the argument that she's Gore 2.0 (just plain unlikable) has legs. The Republicans, historically, have been good about coalescing behind whoever ran second in the last presidential primary at the top of their next ticket. They know that person can win votes. It helps that they're much more comfortable running an older politician eight years down the road.

Democrats often seem to want a fresh face. Whether there's a viable flavor-of-the-month come primary time is a little hit-and-miss. When there is, people like JFK, Carter, Clinton and Obama win. When there isn't, well...

I think a lot of the resentment comes down to the fact that many people thought they were voting in Biden for a single term solely to defeat Trump, at which point Trump would be political manure and the Democrats could pick someone more to their liking in a 2024 free-for-all. One problem is that a proper heir apparent hasn't emerged, which often happens to the Democrats. Newsom's the closest thing they have, but he's a little left for a general.

Biden would be a lot more likely to step down if the party had someone polling +6 against Trump.

I get that

But in what world is Trump less unlikeable as an alternative to her.

This is what I continue to not understand. Or how she's less likeable than most of the other cretins in the GOP. The only likeable GOPers got run out of office or haven't been run out yet

And this isn't about whether Kamala should be the pick. This has everything to do with why likability matters for a Dem when arguably the GOP runs out people objectively detestable and get a pass

It's why I am not optimistic about this country's chances moving forward.

 

[Prevenger17]

I get that

But in what world is Trump less unlikeable as an alternative to her.

This is what I continue to not understand. Or how she's less likeable than most of the other cretins in the GOP. The only likeable GOPers got run out of office or haven't been run out yet

And this isn't about whether Kamala should be the pick. This has everything to do with why likability matters for a Dem when arguably the GOP runs out people objectively detestable and get a pass

It's why I am not optimistic about this country's chances moving forward.

The unhinged make-believe world that a lot of Republican voters occupy these days. Trump is a confirmed rapist, fraud, traitor and insurrectionist. He wants to bang his own daughter, has the emotional intelligence levels of a child and he is the stupidest man to have ever held high office in the west. Literally listening to him talk about anything reveals what an absolute moron he is

So regardless of who wins the next election, the very fact that any American is willing to vote for a person with the above resumè, let alone the millions who eventually will, means that the country is already irretrievably boned and why I have zero optimism about its future. Its a matter of when and not if the place tears itself apart imo

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

The unhinged make-believe world that a lot of Republican voters occupy these days. Trump is a confirmed rapist, fraud, traitor and insurrectionist. He wants to bang his own daughter, has the emotional intelligence levels of a child and he is the stupidest man to have ever held high office in the west. Literally listening to him talk about anything reveals what an absolute moron he is

So regardless of who wins the next election, the very fact that any American is willing to vote for a person with the above resumè, let alone the millions who eventually will, means that the country is already irretrievably boned and why I have zero optimism about its future. Its a matter of when and not if the place tears itself apart imo

Yep. Couldn't have said it better myself. Every word

 

[Martin Alvito]

I get that

But in what world is Trump less unlikeable as an alternative to her.

This is what I continue to not understand. Or how she's less likeable than most of the other cretins in the GOP. The only likeable GOPers got run out of office or haven't been run out yet

And this isn't about whether Kamala should be the pick. This has everything to do with why likability matters for a Dem when arguably the GOP runs out people objectively detestable and get a pass

It's why I am not optimistic about this country's chances moving forward.

It matters because the Democrats win on turnout in this country. When people are enthusiastic about a candidate, they stand in those four-hour poll lines designed to discourage them from voting. When they aren't, they don't.

I live in GOP territory in a red state. My precinct might contain 300 people. I walk five minutes to the polling site, cast my votes immediately, and walk home. If it rains, I drive. My votes never count, in the sense that I haven't voted for a winning candidate (meaning the Electoral College for president specifically) in a general in over a decade, but no one's stopping me. On demographics, the odds are I vote Republican, so they let me do it without fuss.

That is the experience of many Republican voters, but it is not that of a sizable minority of the Democratic base.

 

[Prevenger17]

I'm getting the picture this account (not you BTX) having been inactive for a while has turned up and is looking to...

Get used to this phenomenon. The lead up to the election is harvest time for the Trump bozos

 

[Rita_Poon]

The unhinged make-believe world that a lot of Republican voters occupy these days. Trump is a confirmed rapist, fraud, traitor and insurrectionist. He wants to bang his own daughter, has the emotional intelligence levels of a child and he is the stupidest man to have ever held high office in the west. Literally listening to him talk about anything reveals what an absolute moron he is

So regardless of who wins the next election, the very fact that any American is willing to vote for a person with the above resumè, let alone the millions who eventually will, means that the country is already irretrievably boned and why I have zero optimism about its future. Its a matter of when and not if the place tears itself apart imo

Is fuhrer trump actually representative? It can't be a protest vote in such vast numbers. Can it be Americas fascination with the reflected glory of a "winner"?
Or is he a symptom of a greater illness, are there that many voters prepared to cut others throats to (potentially) advance themselves a few microns?

My fear is they're looking for a trump with a brain and a ruthless streak in tandem.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

It matters because the Democrats win on turnout in this country. When people are enthusiastic about a candidate, they stand in those four-hour poll lines designed to discourage them from voting. When they aren't, they don't.

I live in GOP territory in a red state. My precinct might contain 300 people. I walk five minutes to the polling site, cast my votes immediately, and walk home. If it rains, I drive. My votes never count, in the sense that I haven't voted for a winning candidate (meaning the Electoral College for president specifically) in a general in over a decade, but no one's stopping me. On demographics, the odds are I vote Republican, so they let me do it without fuss.

That is the experience of many Republican voters, but it is not that of a sizable minority of the Democratic base.

Ah, I get it now. And this post really drives home the voter disenfranchisement strategy of the GOP. But it does differ state to state - our elections aren't "run" at the federal level. I've voted in elections in person since 2000 both within very urban areas within the City of Pittsburgh and in boroughs just outside of Pittsburgh proper and have never experienced lines like you hear about on TV. However, I do realize that this is the case in other states, and that they disproportionately affect less affluent areas.

 

[BlueTX]

Ah, I get it now. And this post really drives home the voter disenfranchisement strategy of the GOP. But it does differ state to state - our elections aren't "run" at the federal level. I've voted in elections in person since 2000 both within very urban areas within the City of Pittsburgh and in boroughs just outside of Pittsburgh proper and have never experienced lines like you hear about on TV. However, I do realize that this is the case in other states, and that they disproportionately affect less affluent areas.

It's also why the GOP is hellbent on restricting/eliminating mail-in ballots and they've got their lackeys touting the need for people to have to put in some effort to vote. That it is "lazy" to vote by mail.

Along with the standard nonsense regarding "fraud", of course.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

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