Current Affairs Joe Biden POTUS #46

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carolinablue232 said:
Isn’t she one of the least popular VPs in recent times? Her reputation amongst her own party doesn’t seem great, and I’m not sure what she’s be able to point to as a big accomplishment while in the VP role that wouldn’t get countered pretty vigorously. If she ran on “law and order” as you suggest, she’d probably get beaten up on her record from both sides of the aisle as was the case when she ran in 2020. I just don’t see her having much of a chance.
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she also has no charisma.
It shouldn't matter, but it does.
 
Ruairi77 said:
she also has no charisma.
It shouldn't matter, but it does.
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It’s a goofy example but I recall last year she went and spoke to the Howard University basketball players after they lost by 30 and were eliminated in the first round of the NCAA tournament, and it was the most cringy thing I can recall seeing in sports. Felt like she was addressing them as if they were 5 year olds, and not adults. Maybe the intent was good but the way she delivered it made it feel like a photo op. As a former athlete I’d have been wildly annoyed with someone telling me how great we were right after a 30 point season ending loss. It’s a dumb example, but things like that make her feel out of touch which ultimately does matter.
 
Ruairi77 said:
yea but not that long since someone went from reality TV to the presidency. Suddenly the house doesnt seem that far.
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Yeah i was thinking the same thing

Our political landscape is completely unlike what's it's been for the last hundreds of years. The jump from the House to the Presidency doesn't seem as far a leap as it perhaps once did due to1) House leaders have so much more exposure than they did in the past (it feels like at least) due to the 24/7 news cycle and the sheer volume of national matters where Reps have taken center stage and 2) the Trump effect.

So why not?
 
carolinablue232 said:
It’s a goofy example but I recall last year she went and spoke to the Howard University basketball players after they lost by 30 and were eliminated in the first round of the NCAA tournament, and it was the most cringy thing I can recall seeing in sports. Felt like she was addressing them as if they were 5 year olds, and not adults. Maybe the intent was good but the way she delivered it made it feel like a photo op. As a former athlete I’d have been wildly annoyed with someone telling me how great we were right after a 30 point season ending loss. It’s a dumb example, but things like that make her feel out of touch which ultimately does matter.
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It's a great example. Calvin Coolidge rated a zero for charisma, but FDR changed the game. The modern minimum baseline is 'relatable' (Truman, Carter, W) unless one can ride coattails in good economic times the way Bush 41 did, and he might have had a bad time if Gary Hart could keep it zipped. Harris scores very poorly there.

The big difference between Trump and most House members is profile. Think back to 2015-16. The major news outlets might have hated his guts, but they also had an addiction to covering him because he generated clicks. Still do.

Someone like MTG would suffer in a general from things like introducing legislation to reduce the salaries of Merrick Garland, Christopher Wray and other federal officials to $1. Trump seems to defy normal conventions of political gravity in a way that does not extend to acolytes, for whatever reason. If anyone could explain exactly how Trump and Reagan did this, the Republicans probably would never lose another presidential election.
 
Martin Alvito said:
If anyone could explain exactly how Trump and Reagan did this,
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Familiarity with reagan, a safe pair of hands aura, a trusted older bloke with only goodness in his heart image. Talked tough in parts and lucked out with the self catastrophe of the rusting of the iron curtain.
An almost polar opposite with trump, an unknown besides his wealth and high living, an opportunity to kick the system that has kicked 'us' around and now the establishment that aint hungry fear him, someone promising to turn all the systems upside down and promise every american a god given great deal. Talked tough in parts but hasn't lucked out on a big win elsewhere.

the thicko's will welcome another failure like trump because it's a way to dole out some of that failure they see others avoiding. 'Keeping up with the Jones' ' is all well and good when the trajectory is up. So descending alongside the Jones' is the next best thing.
The politics of hate.
 
Rita_Poon said:
Familiarity with reagan, a safe pair of hands aura, a trusted older bloke with only goodness in his heart image. Talked tough in parts and lucked out with the self catastrophe of the rusting of the iron curtain.
An almost polar opposite with trump, an unknown besides his wealth and high living, an opportunity to kick the system that has kicked 'us' around and now the establishment that aint hungry fear him, someone promising to turn all the systems upside down and promise every american a god given great deal. Talked tough in parts but hasn't lucked out on a big win elsewhere.

the thicko's will welcome another failure like trump because it's a way to dole out some of that failure they see others avoiding. 'Keeping up with the Jones' ' is all well and good when the trajectory is up. So descending alongside the Jones' is the next best thing.
The politics of hate.
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Reagan was also an excellent communicator. The delivery of that beautifully written Challenger speech was perfect
 
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