Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

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This is one face of the IDF on the ground. Next they'll be harassing old men and woman. Then kidnapping men, women and children and humiliating them. These scenes are similar, to what the British army did in the occupied north of Ireland in nationalist areas.


This has been happening for years, this sort of behaviour breeds huge resentment and of course extreme reactions....
The apologists have absolutely no idea what daily life is like for these people, they make out that hamas did what they did for the hell of it and it somehow justifies the murder of 10,000 civilians.
 
Celtic subsequently suspended every ST holder who is also registered as a member of the Green Brigade!!

PSG fans did this lats night during 3-0 win over Montpellier:

Yeah I read that earlier this week mate.

I also read Rodgers' weak as piss words on the situation yesterday.


Brendan Rodgers has extended a hand of peace to the renegade Green Brigade – but warned the controversial ultras not to rip the whole arm off.

The Celtic boss is aware of the fallout behind the scenes at Parkhead with around 200 fans banned until further notice after a succession of incidents at Celtic Park and at away grounds in Scotland and in Europe. The club have also been hit with fines by UEFA for banners and fireworks in the Champions League and the catalogue of flashpoints saw the board’s patience finally snap.

Rodgers wants the support united again – but he insisted the group can’t push their luck after being given the first standing section in UK football. He said: “The club, and hopefully the guys who are out of the club, can find a solution. Because they are amazing, I will say that. I just think in life you always have to be careful. If you offer a hand, make sure they don’t want the arm.

“So, you put out your hand to help supporters, and they take the arm, not the hand. For me, our club’s strength is being together behind the team, and hopefully very, very soon we can find that, and we can support the football.

“Football clubs are about football. That’s the simplicity of it for me. When you come to the football, you’re coming to watch the players on the pitch and support the team.

“The social media stuff, gladly I’m not involved in it and I have no interest in it, so a lot of what goes on in and around that I actually don’t know about.

“I’m not naïve, I know what’s there, but there’s no way I am trawling through stuff to understand it.

“But I understand what’s happened, and at any club – especially at a club like here – that synergy is so important because it is such a force, Celtic.”

The Celtic board pointed to safety concerns as one of the reasons behind the ban. Rodgers said: "For most clubs, football is for families to come along, support their team, have a day out and enjoy the football.

“There should never be any risk going to any game of football. Listen, for Celtic, in the main that’s what it’s about. Supporters come from up and down the country here, they come on boats and planes to get to games.

“It’s a brilliant day and if their team wins, even better. That’s the end game for every game and hopefully we can get to that point.”

Off-the-field issues have hogged the headlines while Rodgers has steadily put his stamp on the side in Scotland and in Europe. The Irishman insisted his focus remains on the pitch ahead of today’s trip to Ross County.

Rodgers said: “It’s very simple, I concentrate on the football. I know that 99.9 percent of this fanbase are amazing, the support they give the club and they give the team is fantastic.

“Of course, it is clear we have a situation with a really small group of our support base, with which that dialogue and everything else is there with the board.

“They will speak on that, I will only speak for the club of course, but it’s very easy for me to narrow my focus in on the football because ultimately that is what brings the club together.”

Rodgers has recently been forced to field questions on everything from fan behaviour to Middle East politics in recent weeks but he insisted he’s a manager and not a politician.

He said: “No, and we’re not specialists in it! I don’t know why we get asked about all these things whenever our lives are all about football. But of course, as a manager – and especially as a manager of a big club – it’s multi-functional in terms of what you are required to do.

“When you are experienced, you can also offer your support and experience to players, but it’s very, very straightforward for me in terms of I know the end game for me is to be successful on the field. I can laser my focus in on the football very easily.”
 
If I was a Gazan looking to survive I'd be setting up a tent right in that cemetery. It's the only place in Gaza those nazi Israeli beasts won't touch.

I sadly disagree dave. Look at how the Israeli government has dealt with even the pathetic bleatings of Western leaders to show restraint - it’s followed by attacks.

Biden tries to have a summit with Egypt and Jordan, and a Christian run hospital is bombed. Biden urges an end to settler violence in the West Bank and not only do they continue it, they block all Muslims from attending Al-Aqsa that day. Blinken tries to tell Al-Jazeera to toner down its coverage, and they kill the family of the Al/Jazeera station chief. The Dutch PM visits Israel in solidarity but to warn about the humanitarian cost, and a Dutch woman is killed in Gaza by the bombing whilst he is there. Blinken urges humanitarian pauses yesterday, and within hours an ambulance convoy with US citizens aboard and with some element of US involvement in organising it is attacked whilst it leaves Al-Shifa hospital.

So I have a horrible feeling that we’ll have week of “BAN this Hate March at the Cenotaph” nonsense, pushed out by all the usual scumbags in politics and the media. There will be all the usual debate and division, the dehumanising and lies …. and on the 11th or 12th the IDF will bomb one or both of those cemeteries.
 
This has been happening for years, this sort of behaviour breeds huge resentment and of course extreme reactions....
The apologists have absolutely no idea what daily life is like for these people, they make out that hamas did what they did for the hell of it and it somehow justifies the murder of 10,000 civilians.
And they are 'surprised and shocked' when the downtown explode.
 
I sadly disagree dave. Look at how the Israeli government has dealt with even the pathetic bleatings of Western leaders to show restraint - it’s followed by attacks.

Biden tries to have a summit with Egypt and Jordan, and a Christian run hospital is bombed. Biden urges an end to settler violence in the West Bank and not only do they continue it, they block all Muslims from attending Al-Aqsa that day. Blinken tries to tell Al-Jazeera to toner down its coverage, and they kill the family of the Al/Jazeera station chief. The Dutch PM visits Israel in solidarity but to warn about the humanitarian cost, and a Dutch woman is killed in Gaza by the bombing whilst he is there. Blinken urges humanitarian pauses yesterday, and within hours an ambulance convoy with US citizens aboard and with some element of US involvement in organising it is attacked whilst it leaves Al-Shifa hospital.

So I have a horrible feeling that we’ll have week of “BAN this Hate March at the Cenotaph” nonsense, pushed out by all the usual scumbags in politics and the media. There will be all the usual debate and division, the dehumanising and lies …. and on the 11th or 12th the IDF will bomb one or both of those cemeteries.
What these people say in public is vastly different to what they say to the Israelis.

If you believe that the Israelis are taking independent decisions from Washington then that isn't very realistic as far as I'm concerned. Israel is a giant US Aircraft carrier. That's all it is. They hand them the facade of democratic government in Tel Aviv, but it's merely a vassal state controlled by the CIA. The Yanks are telling them to kick on in Gaza and occupy and colonise it. They've probably handed them 6-8 weeks to get the job done and they'll have their backs with Hezbollah and Iran.

As for the war graves: this Israeli Nazis know for sure that if they bombed an allied cemetery they'd have more blowback from the west than if they murdered 100,000 Palestinians. So, as I said, I'd be camped out there.
 
What these people say in public is vastly different to what they say to the Israelis.

If you believe that the Israelis are taking independent decisions from Washington then that isn't very realistic as far as I'm concerned. Israel is a giant US Aircraft carrier. That's all it is. They hand them the facade of democratic government in Tel Aviv, but it's merely a vassal state controlled by the CIA. The Yanks are telling them to kick on in Gaza and occupy and colonise it. They've probably handed them 6-8 weeks to get the job done and they'll have their backs with Hezbollah and Iran.

As for the war graves: this Israeli Nazis know for sure that if they bombed an allied cemetery they'd have more blowback from the west than if they murdered 100,000 Palestinians. So, as I said, I'd be camped out there.

I couldn't disagree more with you dave - read this article from Mondoweiss, specifically this bit:

October 7 not only revealed the faults in the U.S. grand strategy in the Middle East but also exposed the intellectual architecture that underlies it. This architecture was almost exclusively established, maintained, and propagated by the Israeli lobby.

The prevailing narrative frequently championed by the Israel lobby in Washington, with a few exceptions like J Street, asserts that the Palestinian issue is no longer as central as it once was. They maintain that the geopolitical dynamics of the region have shifted beyond the centrality of the Palestinian cause. This perspective seemed to gain traction, especially when one considers the rising concerns among Arab capitals regarding Iran’s influence in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, and Yemen. These capitals were eager for geopolitical and military powers that could serve as deterrents to Iran amidst American signaling that it has shifted its priority to the two most fundamental challenges to its hegemonic position: Russia and China.

The perceived weakness and lack of legitimacy of the Palestinian Authority, along with the region’s rising vulnerability to Iranian influence, compounded by Arab states’ apprehension about pan-Arab and Islamist movements, served as the backdrop for the Abraham Accords. Arab countries were also looking to leverage the lobby’s power in American domestic politics to acquire weapons and deepen their strategic alliances with the U.S. or Israel.

The Abraham Accords marked an important milestone in the effort to encourage regional American allies to publicly establish relations with Israel. Those in the region who had previously maintained secret connections now saw an opportunity to establish open diplomatic, economic, and military cooperation. The Abraham Accords took place following the civil wars of the Arab Spring, which had weakened opposition to normalization. Numerous Arab societies experienced severe setbacks — with their economies crumbling and a significant portion of their society displaced, Palestine was thrown by the wayside.

The lobby and its policies looked triumphant. The combined impact of Israel’s supporters convinced American elites and foreign policy experts that Palestine does not hinder U.S. interests in the region. This implies that the Arab world has moved past this issue or that it was never significant to begin with. It is worth noting that President Biden, who has shown strong support for Israel, has had limited to no involvement in the Israel-Palestine issue, and Palestinian interests have consistently been overlooked and considered to be manageable. October 7 is making everyone look foolish and even reckless, and Israel’s disproportionate and messianic discourse of vengeance is simply adding insult to injury.

At a time when Israel seeks the activation of the U.S.’s military protection as well as its political and diplomatic influence, the U.S. finds itself in a position to demonstrate globally that it stands by its allies. However, as the conflict persists, Israel and its domestic U.S. lobby face mounting pressure. As the underlying rationale and arguments used to justify the “special relationship” fade away, Israel will begin to reveal itself as a burden, and a costly one at that — because it chose to reject any political solution and instead chose military solutions that it couldn’t see through on its own.

If Israel was merely a proxy of the US then it would not behave as it does.
 
I couldn't disagree more with you dave - read this article from Mondoweiss, specifically this bit:



If Israel was merely a proxy of the US then it would not behave as it does.
A lot of that is true. They wanted pacification of Arab states and October 7th blew it apart...as it was designed to do.

But Israel will always trump every consideration for the US. Think of Israel as the 51st state. The Yanks will be handing it's crony government in Tel Aviv another 4 weeks maximum to get the colonisation of northern Gaza done. After that Washington will look to broker deals with Arab states over the coming years.
 
If Israel was merely a proxy of the US then it would not behave as it does.
As they have been increasingly able to provide their own security (and as they have moved right politically), they listen to the United States less.

Right now they're behaving like they think they're a major power, and that they don't have to listen to anyone. IMO that's their political right exploiting their temporary unity in the wake of the attacks for what they think will be long-term domestic political advantage.
 
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