Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

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magicjuan said:
My old man was on the Campbeltown at St Nazaire, he saved two lives, was shot 5 times doing it, captured, escaped, shot and recaptured. He was on raids in Norway and elsewhere. My uncles were in the Merchant navy doing the Atlantic run, constantly hunted ny U Boats.
As people our age, we know from them what the sacrifice was.
I know people who served in Northern Ireland, Iraq and Afghanistan.
None of them spoke ever of the glory of war, that belongs to those who never sacrifice, those who use their courage for their own profit and gain.
I have been fervently anti war all my life, it's always someone else's life being sacrificed and there is ALWAYS someone who makes money out of it.
We remember the suffering of those who served, but if you want to stop more suffering then for me that is a better testament.
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Absolutely, military and civilians pay a heavy price for the stupidity of political and religious ‘leaders’……..
 
peteblue said:
Absolutely, military and civilians pay a heavy price for the stupidity of political and religious ‘leaders’……..
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It's rarely stupidity. It's more often short-term, self-interested thinking for what they perceive to be personal advantage. Those are both competitive systems with a limited number of slots at the top, and people rarely reach the summit by much caring about broader welfare. They get there by winning the internal political contest.
 
davek said:
A lot of that is true. They wanted pacification of Arab states and October 7th blew it apart...as it was designed to do.

But Israel will always trump every consideration for the US. Think of Israel as the 51st state. The Yanks will be handing it's crony government in Tel Aviv another 4 weeks maximum to get the colonisation of northern Gaza done. After that Washington will look to broker deals with Arab states over the coming years.
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The question you should be asking dave is why Israel trumps every consideration.

A true hegemon does not behave in that way; its colonies are only important so long as they provide things of benefit or serve a strategic purpose. Israel does neither for the US, so we need to look at why the US behaves in the way that it does. The reason is the lobby, and the domestic political power that the lobby can deploy to coerce. For most politicians without genuine bases of support, going against it will destroy their career.
 
tsubaki said:
The question you should be asking dave is why Israel trumps every consideration.

A true hegemon does not behave in that way; its colonies are only important so long as they provide things of benefit or serve a strategic purpose. Israel does neither for the US, so we need to look at why the US behaves in the way that it does. The reason is the lobby, and the domestic political power that the lobby can deploy to coerce. For most politicians without genuine bases of support, going against it will destroy their career.
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The post war history of the Middle East underlines how the US have benefitted by having a colony like Israel right there and sowing the seeds of destruction for any military or political leadership who would act against US interests. Mossad seeds revolutions and assassinations and nudges the whole thing along for them. Of course a conflagration like this is a massive inconvenience, but unless the US want to abandon that colony of Israel they'll always stick with it and smash or threaten to smash any force in the region that threatens its existence.
 
davek said:
What these people say in public is vastly different to what they say to the Israelis.

If you believe that the Israelis are taking independent decisions from Washington then that isn't very realistic as far as I'm concerned. Israel is a giant US Aircraft carrier. That's all it is. They hand them the facade of democratic government in Tel Aviv, but it's merely a vassal state controlled by the CIA. The Yanks are telling them to kick on in Gaza and occupy and colonise it. They've probably handed them 6-8 weeks to get the job done and they'll have their backs with Hezbollah and Iran.

As for the war graves: this Israeli Nazis know for sure that if they bombed an allied cemetery they'd have more blowback from the west than if they murdered 100,000 Palestinians. So, as I said, I'd be camped out there.
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The US has military advisors on the ground embedded with the IDF. There are US military spy drones in the sky over Gaza, trying to find al qassam fighters, with not much success mind. The US supply the missiles that rein down on hospitals, schools, churches, mosques, ambulances. The Gaza assault is aided and supported by the US Empire. Which has spent ,over 90,% of its existence, since it's armed rebellion against British colonial rule, at war, organising violent coups to overthrow governments, creating vassal states to wage wars on it's behalf eg. Ukraine and Israel etc., or Iraq v Iran, or the Iran/contra machinations etc. to be top dog in the world. And it will do all in its power to remain there. War is in the US Empire's DNA, including backing its colonial occupiers in Palestine, at all costs, not matter what they do. Because the middle east part is vital for US hegemonic interests.
 
I found these, only 27% support for netanyahu but not exactly welcome that Benny Ganz is favoured to take over.

no change in policy likely if that happens....

www.aa.com.tr

Only 27% of Israelis see Prime Minister Netanyahu as best person to run government: Poll

Survey finds about half of the public favors ex-Defense Minister Gantz to lead Israeli government - Anadolu Ajansı
www.aa.com.tr www.aa.com.tr

news.sky.com

Israel-Hamas war: Israeli war minister Benny Gantz asked about possibility of humanitarian pause in Gaza

The Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) has said one of its aircraft struck an ambulance in Gaza "that was identified by forces as being used by a Hamas terrorist cell".
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So, 76% of Israelis polled wany Ganz or netanyahu - that is really depressing.
 
ramacca said:
The US has military advisors on the ground embedded with the IDF. There are US military spy drones in the sky over Gaza, trying to find al qassam fighters, with not much success mind. The US supply the missiles that rein down on hospitals, schools, churches, mosques, ambulances. The Gaza assault is aided and supported by the US Empire. Which has spent ,over 90,% of its existence, since it's armed rebellion against British colonial rule, at war, organising violent coups to overthrow governments, creating vassal states to wage wars on it's behalf eg. Ukraine and Israel etc., or Iraq v Iran, or the Iran/contra machinations etc. to be top dog in the world. And it will do all in its power to remain there. War is in the US Empire's DNA, including backing its colonial occupiers in Palestine, at all costs, not matter what they do. Because the middle east part is vital for US hegemonic interests.
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Absolutely spot on mate.
 
peteblue said:
The past is relevant, but not to keep bringing up ancient hatred or to stir up trouble in the present. I understand your position on this but you and I will not agree on this I’m afraid……
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How can you dismiss historical context for what is happening now but insist on sacrosanct status for Remembrance Day events?

History is history but right now is what is important. Protests are needed everyday to try and stop this genocide.
 
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