Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

[DrEFC]

You guys seem like reasonable, well balanced, informed and tolerant progressives. For example, the response below to a woman who was stabbed to death.



I have a couple of questions from things I keep seeing. Maybe you lot can enlighten me with your wisdom?

What does free Paliestine mean?
Has Paliestine ever been a country?
What borders and from when do you want?
What does this saying mean “from the river to the sea Paliestine must be free”, and would you say it?
What is Zionism? Which Zionists are bad? Do they control the media?

Just themes I see over and over that I would like to understand, so I can be as well informed as you guys.

You don't want to discuss, it's apparent.

 

[DrEFC]

Have a read what they say about Iran, Saudi etc and others close to Israel.



--"I'm too educated to believe that governments are capable of propping up extremist groups to destabilise"--

What? You don't believe Iran pays Hamas over $100mil a year and has been paying them 10s of millions per annum to do their bidding -- which is exactly that, to destabilise.

You don't believe Hezbollah is an Iran backed terror group -- in just the same way that Wagner group was backed by Russia (denied until recently).


You're "too educated" to believe these facts?

My too educated bit, was a response to someone else labelling me that. Can you define terror or is it just dependent on whether you have your own government or not.
To think middle Eastern countries don't like a western proxy state- crazy, especially since us Brits and the Americans have always left them well alone.
If Iran was supplying billions, then it may be a fair fight.

 

[ramacca]

I'm not interested in your questions, which betray a facile understanding of the conflict.

I can understand people who claim that anti-zionism is antisemitism, because at the most basic level, Zionism is merely the belief that Israel, the country, should exist, in that bit of land, and the land of Israel is a fundamental part of many Jewish people's identity.

I also would agree that there are people who use it as a figleaf for antisemitism.

I just wanted to illustrate to you that there's quite a lot more to many people's versions of zionism than just that, and that just saying "antizionism = antisemitism" is unhelpful, just as comparing Israelis to nazis is unhelpful. It shuts down debate.

Zionism was a fringe idea within the Jewish community until the late 19th-early 20th Century, and there are still many, many Jews who do not consider themselves to be zionists. Are they antisemitic?

We'll said.

 

[ramacca]

IDF terror.

 

[ramacca]

 

[tsubaki]

Some reports that there has been an explosion near the Rafah crossing, two Egyptians injured. This was as an aid convoy was going in to Gaza.

 

[coollino]

 

[DrEFC]

Anti Zionism = Anti Semitism.

You're showing yourself up here.

 

[dCahill17]

You don't want to discuss, it's apparent.

I didn’t expect any answer, there’s some genuine / difficult questions in there with people having to justify and explain their position.

It’s easier for them to just be hateful.

 

[DrEFC]

I didn’t expect any answer, there’s some genuine / difficult questions in there with people having to justify and explain their position.

It’s easier for them to just be hateful.

Please, my posts are open to all. If you've deemed any of my posts hateful- please point them out- I don't mind being called out if I've overstepped any boundaries.
Image tongue in cheek

 

[Tin-Tin]

Waits for people on here to call them Anti-Semitic for wanting peace and innocent Palestinians not to be slaughtered.

Heard a lot of these stories, yet Jeff from Bootle who has suddenly become an expert on the history of the conflict is frothing at the mouth for Israel to commit genocide.

 

[ramacca]

Some reports that there has been an explosion near the Rafah crossing, two Egyptians injured. This was as an aid convoy was going in to Gaza.

It may be this.

 

[ramacca]

Th IDF told Gazans to move south, and that anyone who remains in north Gaza would be classed as a legitimate terrorist target, when the IDF go into Gaza.

It seems the IDF attacked south Gaza.

 

[Zatara]

Iran does not rule over a population who they will not give a say on how they are governed or citizenship too, I’m not going to defend Iran as they are governed by nutters and can’t be defended and which has its own thread to air your views on.

My point is Israel is an apartheid state and you can’t prove it isn’t so stop deflecting and tell me why it isn’t.

BTW I’m not singling Isreal out it’s the west that is by denials of what they are inflicting in the Palestinians prior to this episode.

Again prove me wrong I bet you can’t

You think Iran gives its population a say how its governed...but Israel doesnt.

Thats what your view is? Is this a joke?

Ive already posted several times on apartheid, feel free to search and see my links.

I didn’t expect any answer, there’s some genuine / difficult questions in there with people having to justify and explain their position.

It’s easier for them to just be hateful.

They choose not to answer what we ask.

Tells its own story and gives us the answer.

 

[davek]

IDF terror.

Without watching it I'm guessing it's because he doesn't want to be a war criminal.